Two weeks ago in the UK, the Lloyds banking group was forced to make a GBP £500m provision in respect of overcharging by one of its group companies, the Halifax Building Society. It was established that the Halifax had been overcharging mortgage customers when it failed to reduce its mortgage interest rates in line with reductions in the base rate by the Bank of England. Some 300,000 customers will receive refunds of an average of GBP £1,667. There was no mention of any refunds to customers in Ireland despite the fact that the Halifax did brisk business here from 1999 to when it was closed in 2010. And separately, a couple of days after the Lloyds announcement, the UK’s Financial Services Authority – very roughly the equivalent of our own Financial Regulator – fined that model of Teutonic efficiency, Deutsche Bank for mis-selling mortgages and harassing customers in arrears. I make the point that other countries experience problems with their own banks – it’s not a distinctly Irish problem. This entry examines recent overcharging in the Irish market.
Firstly here’s a summary of the recent history of overcharging in the Irish banking sector
(1) In September 2010, the Irish Independent reported that Anglo Irish Bank (“Anglo”) was to repay up to €100m in respect of overcharging on loans taken out in 1999 -2004. At the time the Anglo CEO Mike Aynsley is reported as saying “There is a statute of limitations and, theoretically, we’re probably not compelled to go back beyond a six-year period, but because we believe there are important ethical issues …. we’re doing it and we will compensate people accordingly” The Australian banker who was appointed to the poisonous CEO role in September 2009 went on to say “we suspect it was driven by some kind of process errors” but he did not rule out more deliberate machinations at the bank – “we don’t know yet” he is reported as saying. And whilst the Anglo CEO was putting an upper limit of €100m on the size of the problem whilst suggesting the final cost might be closer to €30-50m, an independent consultancy was apparently suggesting that the overcharging might be closer to €200m and might have started before 1999 and continued after 2004. A legal opinion published in the same article claimed that if the overcharging was the result of fraud then the statute of limitations would not apply. It would seem that the bulk of the overcharging took place before David Drumm became Anglo’s CEO in January 2005 having joined the Group in 1993 and having established Anglo’s US operations in Boston in the late 1990s before he returned to Dublin in 2003 as Head of Lending.
(2) In December 2010, the Irish Times reported that AIB had been fined €2m by the Central Bank, “ the largest fine in Irish retail banking history – after it was found to have overcharged customers” According to the Central Bank of Ireland statement “the majority of these overcharging instances are historic in nature. Most affected customers have been refunded with appropriate interest. The firm has undertaken to repay, with appropriate interest, all those outstanding amounts that have not already been repaid.” It was not clear from the Central Bank what precise instances of overcharging AIB was being fined for, but AIB has a rich history of overcharging which includes €4m in 2010 resulting from charging business banking fees to personal customers. AIB had previously admitted in 2009 to overcharging 400 tracker-mortgage holders by an average of €1,000 each. But all of this paled into insignificance alongside the foreign exchange overcharging scandal in 2006 which cost the bank some €66m including a €20m donation to charity in lieu of payment to overcharged customers who could not be traced. Most of the overcharging related to foreign exchange transactions but €9m related to miscellaneous overcharging.
(3) In 2005, Bank of Ireland had to refund €1.8m to 50,000 customers who had been charged tax on transactions between 1992 and 2005. Also in April 2005, the bank admitted it had overcharged 65,000 customers who had taken out personal loan protection insurance and refunded €18m. The bank had some problems in 2009 when its systems double-charged customers who had made ATM withdrawals in September and October but the problem was quickly spotted and rectified.
(4) In 2005, Irish Nationwide Building Society (INBS) was reported to have significantly overcharged one business customer by €170,000 on a €2m loan because an interest rate some 1.25% higher than that agreed had been applied.
(5) Permanent TSB, part of the Irish Life and Permanent group has gone relatively unscathed in this area but in 2005 was found to have overcharged €600,000 to mortgage customers over a three-year period and €100,000 to business customers overcharged by the bank since 1997
(6) In 2005, EBS reported overcharging “400 of its commercial customers over a six-year period” in a case very similar to Anglo’s where the wrong interest rate was applied to loans. The amount overcharged was not revealed.
(7) Ulster Bank, National Irish Bank, MBNA and others have also been found to have overcharged customers in the last decade.
Back in 2005, a year in which €170m of overcharging was identified, Mark Fielding of the small business representation group, ISME said “it seems there has been a systematic movement towards ripping off the customers. It is incredible that all of those mistakes were just mistakes. It just beggars belief” 2005 was the year of overcharging scandals and the assumption seems to have been that all historical overcharging was uncovered and going forward, there were better systems in place to avoid recurrences. But as we now know, that was not the case – Anglo’s announcement last September 2010 would eclipse all the historical incidences if the claim that the overcharging was €200m was true but even if the Anglo’s CEO estimates were accurate, it would be the second highest revelation of a single bank overcharging its customers.
Are there more overcharging cases to be revealed? Difficult to say but in the residential mortgage sector I am amazed that there have not been actions against the banks under the Financial Regulator’s consumer code which required banks to ensure financial products, including mortgages, were suitable for the customers to whom they were sold. It also seems incredible that banks are allowed increase their standard variable rates to more than 4% above the Euro base rate. In the commercial sector, there have been allegations of machinations at Anglo which resulted in interest overcharges on commercial loans. Mike Aynsley says the problems related to 1999-2004 and he doesn’t discount deliberate overcharging. Was Anglo unique? Of course it will be the case that some borrowers are now so under water with their debts that any correction of historically-overcharged interest will be inconsequential as the refund would simply be offset against loans still outstanding. But are there others for whom refunds would be significant?
This post will remain open and will be amended with any updates on overcharging in the Irish banking sector.
Fin Reg consumer code, don’t make me laugh.
Page 1 – Legislative basis – the consumer credit act 1995.
Page 4 – Definations.
“consumer” means any of the following:
a) a natural person acting outside their business, trade or profession;
b) a person or group of persons, but not an incorporated body with an annual turnover in excess of €3
million (for the avoidance of doubt a group of persons includes partnerships and other unincorporated
bodies such as clubs, charities and trusts, not consisting entirely of bodies corporate);
c) incorporated bodies having an annual turnover of €3 million or less in the previous financial year (provided
that such body shall not be a member of a group of companies having a combined turnover greater than the
said €3 million); or
d) a member of a credit union;
and includes where appropriate, a potential ‘consumer’ (within the meaning above);
A is correct but as far as I am aware B & C have fallen foul of European Law (I’ll dig out the relevant court case)which says you are not a consumer if you are part of a partnership (etc) that is involved in trading for profit regardless of the fact that it is not your normal business, trade or profession.
Documents like this are very misleading on the part of our Fin Reg.
@JR, I referred to the consumer code issued by the Financial Regulator in the context of *residential mortgages* and most people who hold residential mortgages in this country are natural persons “acting outside their business, trade or profession” and mortgage companies had a legal duty to ensure mortgages advanced to such people (99% of all mortgage borrowers I would guess) were suitable. 100%+ mortgages advanced to people which were 5 times salary seems to me like a basis to challenge your mortgage today (anyone reading this should not rely on that opinion and should seek their own legal advice if this is an area of interest)
I would repeat that I am amazed that there haven’t been high profile actions against mortgage companies under the consumer code.
Interestingly the consumer code has been invoked in what seemed to me, and far more importantly the judges dealing with the cases, ridiculous circumstances eg the shopkeeper who had borrowed €32m (http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0304/mcconnon-business.html) and Jimmy Mansfield jnr who had borrowed millions for property development (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2010/0604/1224271819003.html)
So to be clear, I am not referring to the consumer code in the context of commercial lending. But I think it is an underused resource in residential and indeed other personal lending.
Love the site, ltlftc.
Having recently watched ‘Inside Job’ I’m getting the feeling that everyone is on the take…
There’s no such Cat in the metropolis;
He holds all the patent monopolies
For performing suprising illusions
And creating eccentric confusions.
At prestidigitation
And at legerdemain
He’ll defy examination
And deceive you again.
The greatest magicians have something to learn
From Mr. Mistoffelees’ Conjuring Turn.
Presto!
Away we go!
there she be…
AIB PLC -v- Higgins & Ors 2009 5142 S
http://www.courts.ie/Judgments.nsf/09859e7a3f34669680256ef3004a27de/bdfb7047bfe5a52b80257749003c1f71?OpenDocument
@nwl, yea I appreciate the mortgage stance on your post and agree with your comments. Perhaps my two enteries would be best suited to a different post.
I was just pointing out that the information provided on the Fin Regs website doesn’t seem to be in agreement with European law as outlined in the above case (unless I am missing an obvious legal nuance).
Anglo Irish Bank Onercharging.
I am an accountant who qualified with KPMG. I now work with Bank Check Ireland Limited recovering Bank interest Overcharges.
Every Anglo Irish loan account I have examined contains a material interest overcharge. Every claim we have submitted to Anglo has resulted in an offer from them. Based on this I am of the opinion that every Anglo loan account is wromg.
Overcharges have to be reimbursed and we have the written opinion of Senior Counsel that what we are seeing are Overcharges which are recoverable..
Nama is now issuing Anglo Irish Bank Statements with Nama typed on top.
If anyone wants clarification on any of this please ring me on 0868200258 or email me at johnodriscoll@bankcheck.eu.
Best Regards
John O’Driscoll
Bank Overcharging by Irish Nationwide Building Society (INBS)
On June !3 2011 I commented on Anglo Irish and Overcharging. I should also have mentioned INBS. All of their accounts that I have examined contain material Overcharges.
Based on this I am of the opinion that all INBS Loan accounts are wromg.
Overcharges have to be reimbursed.
If clarification is required please ring me on 086 8200 258 or email johnodriscoll@bankcheck.eu
Best Regards
John O’Driscoll
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