• Home
  • NAMA property for sale
  • About
  • The Developers
  • The Tranches

NAMA Wine Lake

Click the green link above for latest news and over 2,600 related articles. NAMA – National Asset Management Agency – part of Ireland's response to its banking crisis and property bubble

Feeds:
Posts
Comments
« Week Ahead 22nd-28th April 2013
Does this transaction look iffy to you? »

Why is everyone so scared of the R-word?

April 22, 2013 by namawinelake

“Recession: The commonly accepted definition of a recession in the UK is two or more consecutive quarters (a period of three months) of contraction in national GDP” HM Treasury glossary of terms

Ireland is back in recession.

We know that because the latest figures show that real GDP declined in the third quarter of 2012 compared to the second quarter and that the real GDP declined in the fourth quarter compared to the third quarter. The generally accepted definition of a recession is two consecutive quarters in which GDP contracts compared with the immediately-previous quarter.

The latest figures from the Central Statistics Office on 21st March 2013 show that in Q2, 2012 our real GDP* was €40,209m, in Q3, 2012 it was €40,045m and in Q4, 2012 it was €40,026m. The CSO reported the decline in Q3 as -0.4% and in Q4 as 0.0% though in Q4 it was really -0.047%. But here you have two consecutive quarters of decline in real GDP.

Why didn’t RTE refer to the recession-word in their reporting? I don’t know and I asked both David Murphy and Sean Whelan at RTE on Twitter if Ireland had slipped back into recession. Neither replied.

I also asked the BBC’s Jim Fitzpatrick the same question on Twitter who replied that yes, Ireland had slipped back into recession on the basis of its recent GDP statistics.

RTE is under constant attack from all sides about its partiality, and there may indeed be partiality in individuals but I think as an organization RTE is reasonably independent. The opinion on here is that the R-word is provocative and the fact that to one decimal place the figures in Q4,2012 were flat, gave RTE the cover to avoid the provocation. Remember on 21st March 2013, An Taoiseach Enda Kenny was in the USA selling the Irish comeback story, and if the national broadcaster back home was reporting a recession it would have pulled the rug from beneath him. And on the other hand, who would be upset if RTE didn’t use the R-word?

Outside RTE, much of the old media is teetering on the brink of collapse and desperate for more advertising spend and better circulation. So a headline with the R-word would just depress confidence and spending, and again, who would it upset if the R-word wasn’t used?

In the Dail last week, the Minister for Finance Michael Noonan was asked if Ireland was back in recession. It seems like a straightforward question and with two quarters of contracting GDP, it would seem equally straightforward to provide a clear answer. The response was hardly clear, though the Minister did acknowledge two quarters of contraction.

Now, it should be said that a conclusion of “recession” is regarded by some as requiring a wider analysis than just real GDP. Unemployment, retail sales, manufacturing, construction, exports are regarded by some as areas to be considered before concluding there is a recession.

The concern on here though is that we are soft-soaping the reality of our position, we still have a 7% deficit which is forecast to reduce to 2% in 2015 and this may not strike some as serious given our progress in reducing the deficit to date, but just look at our neighbours in the UK, they have a deficit forecast for 2013-2017 at 6.8%, 6.0%, 5.2%, 3.5% and 2.3%. We face an immense challenge, and ignoring the fact that we are back in recession is not helpful to honestly tackling the challenge.

The parliamentary question and reply are here:

Deputy Pearse Doherty: To ask the Minister for Finance if he will confirm that the economy is back in recession; and if he will make a statement on the matter.

Minister for Finance, Michael Noonan: The most recent data show that GDP contacted by -0.4 per cent quarter-on-quarter in the third quarter and by -0.0 per cent in the fourth quarter. In relation to the fourth quarter figure, the decline was very modest, and does not show up at the first decimal point.

Importantly, the same statistical release shows that domestic demand stabilised in the second half of 2012, with growth in consumer spending for the first time since 2010. The data-flow in recent months have also been positive on the domestic front as core retail sales have now been in positive territory in year-on-year terms in each of the last seven months. In addition, labour market data show increases in employment in the second half of last year.

My Department forecast GDP growth of 1.5 per cent for 2013 at Budget time. The main downside risks to this forecast remain beyond our control and relate to the external environment as well as some sector specific issues. Since then, a second successive year of negative growth has been forecast in the euro area given the simultaneous deleveraging and consolidation under way in so many euro area countries. A more prolonged downturn in our key international markets would negatively impact upon our export performance. Such a prolonged downturn could arise from a more protracted period of deleveraging or from any re-ignition of the sovereign debt crisis in the euro area.

My Department will publish revised forecasts at the end of April, taking into account all available information. [ENDS]

*real GDP referenced to 2010 and seasonally adjusted

Share this:

  • Twitter
  • Facebook
  • Reddit

Like this:

Like Loading...

Related

Posted in Greece, IMF, Irish economy, Politics | 4 Comments

4 Responses

  1. on April 22, 2013 at 9:35 am David Curran

    What dip is this? Is this a double dip or are we up to triple dip at this point?


  2. on April 22, 2013 at 11:12 am delacaravanio

    “…but I think as an organization RTE is reasonably independent.”

    You’re a funny guy, NWL.


  3. on April 22, 2013 at 3:11 pm Rich

    …would have been useful in the context of Croke park II…..RTE content would report 50 new jobs in an instant…country in recession that’s not news, that’s talkin down the economy….the fact they are losing cash hand over fist does make they vulnerable to towing the line for a gov that needs happy spin….therefore they are compromised…..Orwellian news content grows but the day…..anyone listen to Finucane at the weekend?……obscure report on American billionaire buying up all our cheap property at fire sale prices, received as much airtime as the new insolvency regime…..you couldn’t make it up its comical


  4. on April 23, 2013 at 11:14 am Ireland registers sterling budgetary performance in 2012 - Page 4

    […] This should be interesting when you consider that the figures haven't been finalised yet! Why is everyone so scared of the R-word? | NAMA Wine Lake Sign in or Register Now to […]



Comments are closed.

  • Recent Posts

    • Test – 12 November 2018
    • Farewell from NWL
    • Happy 70th Birthday, Michael
    • Of the Week…
    • Noonan denies IBRC legal fees loan approval to Paddy McKillen was in breach of European Commission commitments
    • Gayle Killilea Dunne asks to be added as notice party in Sean Dunne’s bankruptcy
    • NAMA sues Maria Byrne and Graham Byrne in Dublin’s High Court
    • Johnny Ronan finally wins a court case
  • Recent Comments

    Wisemama on Eddie Hobbs’s US “partner” fir…
    Dorothy Jones on Of the Week…
    Sean Bean on Eddie Hobbs’s US “partner” fir…
    John Foody on Of the Week…
    Wisemama on Eddie Hobbs’s US “partner” fir…
    otto on Of the Week…
    Frank Street on Of the Week…
    Wisemama on Eddie Hobbs’s US “partner” fir…
    John Gallaher on Of the Week…
    John Gallaher on Of the Week…
    who_shot_the_tiger on Eddie Hobbs’s US “partner” fir…
    Sean Bean on Eddie Hobbs’s US “partner” fir…
    otto on Of the Week…
    Brian Flanagan on Of the Week…
    Robert Browne on Gayle Killilea Dunne asks to b…
  • Twitter Updates

    • Funniest case in Irish legal history? 1. ex-Cllr Fred Forsey convicted of RECEIVING a corrupt payment 2. developer… twitter.com/i/web/status/1… 4 years ago
    • Really looking forward to this at 9pm tonight, esp the first Garda on the scene. Well worth reading this background… twitter.com/i/web/status/1… 4 years ago
    • Tea time on the day the president of the ECB tells us we [in Ireland] are paying more interest on our loans than th… twitter.com/i/web/status/1… 4 years ago
    • “I am grateful for you to refer to Mr Sugarman...on the specific question of Unicredit, responsibility at ECB lies… twitter.com/i/web/status/1… 4 years ago
    • @JMcGuinnessTD now confronts ECB about "the honest whistleblower" @WhistleIRL and his disclosures of liquidity issu… twitter.com/i/web/status/1… 4 years ago
    • Details, including court documents of class action in New York against Ryanair and CEO Michael O'Leary.… twitter.com/i/web/status/1… 4 years ago
    • Draghi tells @paulmurphy_TD the ECB doesn't remove govts, the people do, that's democracy. Bet the people will be m… twitter.com/i/web/status/1… 4 years ago
    • Wow! Draghi says there is no net interest cost for the Anglo bonds whilst they're held by the Irish central bank. T… twitter.com/i/web/status/1… 4 years ago
    Follow @namawinelake
  • Click on date for that day’s posts

    April 2013
    M T W T F S S
    1234567
    891011121314
    15161718192021
    22232425262728
    2930  
    « Mar   May »
  • Blog Stats

    • 5,116,816 hits

Create a free website or blog at WordPress.com.

WPThemes.


Privacy & Cookies: This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this website, you agree to their use.
To find out more, including how to control cookies, see here: Cookie Policy
  • Follow Following
    • NAMA Wine Lake
    • Join 1,326 other followers
    • Already have a WordPress.com account? Log in now.
    • NAMA Wine Lake
    • Customize
    • Follow Following
    • Sign up
    • Log in
    • Copy shortlink
    • Report this content
    • View post in Reader
    • Manage subscriptions
    • Collapse this bar
%d bloggers like this: