I wonder does Sean Quinn senior have access to the internet in Mountjoy? If he does, I hope he doesn’t choke on his cornflakes this morning if he reads the breaking report from Simon Carswell at the Irish Times which states that IBRC, formerly Anglo and Irish Nationwide, is suing its former auditors, Ernst and Young and the “case relates to the firm’s role as auditors before the bank’s nationalization” Later in the article, the Irish Times states “The timing of the action is thought to be aimed at beating a six-year legal time limit that would have blocked the action. Ernst & Young signed off the bank’s accounts for the year to the end of September 2006 on December 5th, 2006. These accounts are believed to be crucial to the bank’s legal action.”
So when Sean’s big case against IBRC comes before the courts next year, this action against the auditors might be crucial, and no doubt Sean’s legal team – if he has one, beyond his son-in-law – will surely seek discovery of the details of the newly lodged claim. Next year, Sean will be arguing that he doesn’t owe IBRC some €2.4bn of loans provided to him by Anglo, apparently for the purchase of Anglo shares. It has been a continuing theme pushed by the Quinn camp that Sean was relying on false accounts when making his investment decisions, that and the claim the loans are “tainted with illegality”. It is hard to see how IBRC’s case against Ernst and Young won’t be relevant to Sean’s big case next year. Sean was reported to have built up a 5% stake in Anglo by January 2007, though by mid-2008 he had amassed an interest in the bank which could have led to him controlling 28% of the shares.
On here, there is relief that IBRC has at last been prodded into action. In September 2012, Minister Noonan responded to questions in the Dail and incredibly claimed that IBRC couldn’t identify the “principal person or persons” at Ernst and Young responsible for the audits. Minister Noonan was just about able to identify the auditor at Irish Life and Permanent who signed off the accounts. In June 2012, Minister Noonan (again!) washed his hands of mistakes in loan documentation at the banks which meant that NAMA acquired €455m of loans without paying a cent. There just didn’t seem to be interest at an official level in pursuing the auditors, at least to establish if there was any culpability in signing off the accounts based on poor records or inaccurate information.
Last week, it was reported that Ernst and Young’s revenues in Ireland have rocketed to €130m a year. This is the company which until recently employed Alison Kramer (Alice Kramer), wife of disgraced former NAMA employee, Enda Farrell. To many people, it will be amazing that it is four years after the disastrous banking guarantee to stop the banks collapsing, that the first-known legal action has been initiated against an auditor of a bank. Here’s a reminder of the auditors in the banks during the boom/bust.
In a separate but related matter, there doesn’t appear to have been any progress in the case taken by the administrators of Quinn Insurance against its former auditors, PwC.
UPDATE: 29th November 2012, the Daily Business Post is reporting a response from Ernst and Young which reads “We have consistently said we stand by the quality of our work performed in the Anglo audit and will vigorously defend any such proceedings” – It should be remembered that at the moment, Ernst and Young are at a disadvantage because they have not yet seen the application by IBRC, which highlights another backwoods aspect of the Irish judicial system: the whole world can know that you are being sued, and the suing party can issue a statement, yet you might not see the application from the courts for some time. It never ceases to amaze how we can have such an expensive legal system with such third-world standards.
UPDATE: 11th December 2012. In the Dail today the Minister for Finance Michael Noonan was asked by the Sinn Fein finance spokesperson Pearse Doherty to provide an outline of the case being taken by IBRC against Ernst and Young and to describe the remedies sought in the application. The Minister point-blank refused to answer the question. So we have a position in Ireland where a 100%-state owned entity is suing a company and we cannot obtain details of the application from the Court Service and the Minisrer who is the sole shareholder in the bank refuses to provide any information. This is the full parliamentary question and response.
Deputy Pearse Doherty: To ask the Minister for Finance further to the recent application by the Irish Bank Resolution Corporation in the High Court where a company (details supplied) is named as the respondent, if he will provide an outline of the application and remedies sought by IBRC..
Minister for Finance, Michael Noonan: IBRC have advised me that it issued proceedings on 27 November 2012 against the company referred to in the question. These proceedings relate to the role of that company as auditors to Anglo Irish Bank Plc. pre-nationalisation. As this matter is now the subject of litigation, it would be inappropriate for me to comment further at this time.
UPDATE: 17th December, 2012. RTE reports that the case came before Judge Kelly in the High Court today, that IBRC is suing Ernst and Young for “in excess of €50m” which is a little less than E&Y’s annual revenue of €130m in Ireland. RTE reports that the case relates to “so-called “bed and breakfasting” transactions that are alleged to have taken place over a period of years”. Judge Kelly has agreed that the case be transferred to the Commercial Court division of the High Court and set a hearing for 20th May 2013. No further detail is given on the meat of the case so we don’t know if the “bed and breakfasting” relates to directors’ loans being redeemed at year end via transactions with Irish Nationwide Building Society or if the “bed and breakfasting” relates to €8bn of cash deposits at year end from Irish Life and Permanent which had the effect of allegedly flattering the accounts of Anglo – the “bed and breakfasting” might relate to either, none or both of these matters.
UPDATE: 18th December, 2012. The usually-reliable Mary Carolan in the Irish Times today elaborates on yesterday’s proceedings. The application relates to the chairman Sean Fitzpatrick’s personal lending from the bank which had been masked in the accounts with year end refinancing at Irish Nationwide Building Society. It is reported that at in November 2006, Sean had €69m of loans and afterwards was advanced an additional €58m and now, all of Sean’s lending is classed as impaired and the bank expects to suffer losses of “well over €50m”, according to the report today. Ernst and Young are blamed for not picking up on the annual refinancing at year in 2006, and the implication is that if they had, then the bank might have taken steps to reduce the exposure before the property and bank crashes, and ultimately Sean leaving the bank and being declared bankrupt.
KPMG audited AIB in 2010 and 2011. Niamh Marshall is the auditor signing the report now.
I’m glad to see E&Y in the dock. Most of these auditing firms shouldn’t be allowed to practice. They signed off on the books of every bank, developer, and crook who now stands bankrupt.
Auditors should be assigned to companies at random. The ability of spivs like Anglo to shop around encouraged the auditing firms to lower their standards down past their ankles, and contributed to a normalization of fraudulent accounts.
The whole lot of them need to be sued and struck off. A message needs to be sent: Your audits will follow you forever.
@OMF, I think we have had this exchange before, but it is not the role of auditors of banks to predict business failure. Their role is to take the historical accounts from management, then do a series of checks to ensure the accounts show a “true and fair” view of the financial performance and position of the company. You’ll find people who predict the future in tents at Ballinasloe Horse Fair where they sell their services under the trading name of “Gypsy Rose Lee”.
Wondered if you had seen this link regarding Quinn:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/11/ncs-guess-about-a-sean-quinn-gt-group-connection-just-got-a-bit-more-solid-but-a-bit-more-ho-hum-too.html
‘There just didn’t seem to be interest at an official level in pursuing the auditors, at least to establish if there was any culpability in signing off the accounts based on poor records or inaccurate information’
The issue is not just about auditing. It is about the widespread corrosion of professional standards by financial incentives. Many of the great and good engaged in indefensible practices. We had, and still have, howling conflicts of interest. That’s our normal.
‘Official Ireland’ isn’t interested in investigating its own misdemeanours. Rather the opposite, so I wouldn’t be holding my breath.
Ernst and Young
Price Waterhouse Cooper
KPMG
De Loitte and Touche
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
It would be instructive at this time to re-read some chapters of Bethany McLean’s ‘The Smartest Guys in the Room’ which explains how the entire Arthur Andersen firm was brought down by the activity of one office working with one client. Though in that case it was (as ever) the cover up that did the real damage: the Anderoids shredded a metric ton of Enron-related documents.
“which highlights another backwoods aspect of the Irish judicial system: the whole world can know that you are being sued, and the suing party can issue a statement, yet you might not see the application from the courts for some time. It never ceases to amaze how we can have such an expensive legal system with such third-world standards.”
How do we compare with other jurisdictions in this regard?
In Northern Ireland once a writ or orginating summons has been filed anyone can toddle along to the front counter at the Royal Courts of Justice, give them the reference number and £5 and they’ll give you a copy. The document will not contain the full details of the claim but it will lay out who is suing who, why and what remedy they are seeking.
It’s usually better to ring in advance just to check the papers are with the court office because if the original writ is out with the judge then you might have to wait a couple of days.
For example this is listed for hearing in the Commercial Court in Belfast next week:
09/100849 FRIENDS FIRST MANAGED PENSION FUND LIMITED v MCCANN
I have no idea what its about but could easily get the key details in a couple of hours.
Court orders can be got online for £8 a pop
https://www.courtsni.gov.uk/en-GB/Services/Online_Services/Pages/Copy-Orders-Online-Information.aspx
Stateside this is utilized by most people…but you often have to go to the court as not all doc.’s are available online.
“Public Access to Court Electronic Records (PACER) is an electronic public access service that allows users to obtain case and docket information from federal appellate, district and bankruptcy courts, and the PACER Case Locator via the Internet. PACER is provided by the federal Judiciary in keeping with its commitment to providing public access to court information via a centralized service.”
http://www.pacer.gov/
@jp, your spot on correct,,there seems to have been total corporate amnesia on how damaging ‘reputation risk’ can be to a Co./PLC. Of course ‘Pot, Kettle, Black’ with a Bank suing its auditors, especially in Anglo’s case, they’re gone regardless. I doubt is AIB will be suing their Auditors.
How come the banks in Ireland are not suing the surveying firms for their crazy valuations to try to recoup some of the losses for the taxpayer. The big firms at least would be well insured. The Bank of Ireland are going after Colliers International in U.K. for negligence. The same should apply here. They could start with the glass bottle site or Jurys or the vet college..
http://www.businesspost.ie/#!story/Property/Commercial/BoI+makes+claims+against+British+surveying+firms/id/fbc4002c-5f49-4e62-8c52-7d8636021f7a
At long last, the house of cards is coming down. The Quinn case against Anglo next year will most likely expose alleged illegality at the very heart of the “establishment” The people of Ireland will realized that they were fooled by Anglo propaganda and to think that the Quinn family offered to pay the State 2.8 billion but that offer was thrown in their face in favour of a strategy that will never see the return on one cent. And to think that our Government will not hesitate in taking billions from the poorest people in our country.
@ Patricia
I am very sorry for the people who are suffering and who are going to suffer, in the Border areas and elsewhere, as a result of the Quinn collapse, but, with respect, your analysis just does not stack up. The reality was, and is, much more complex.
Paul, could you elaborate in what way you dont believe my analysis does not stack up . Thanks
@patricia good luck with everything,looks like the only ‘inquiry’ into Anglo and all the shenanigans, will be this one brought by a bankrupted Irish citizen,bankrupted by the very institution he’s litigating against!
The move to have Sean bankrupted south of the border smacked off desperation and spite,let the man get back to work and earn a living.To use draconian and archaic bankruptcy laws that prevail in the republic and are scheduled any day now,any day now,to change is small minded and pathetic.
Thanks John. It is interesting also to note that Anglo is using Ernest and Young in Quinn Group at the moment while at the same time suing them.. Panic and desperation is certainly setting in and it is high time that our Government showed some leadership on this matter.
@patrica do you mean the Germans..or the quislings in the Dail,good luck with that.
I’m New York based so not subjected to the relentless demonization of the Quinn family.
Anyway,it’s late but given a few thousand miles its looks like they want him broke and in penury,unable to mount a decent defense or fund a lawsuit…all the best.
“Who steals my purse steals trash; ’tis something, nothing;
‘Twas mine, ’tis his, and has been slave to thousands;
But he that filches from me my good name
Robs me of that which not enriches him,
And makes me poor indeed.”
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