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Now that the property price register is here, what does it all mean?

September 30, 2012 by namawinelake

Today, which happens to be the four year anniversary of the bank guarantee, also happens to be a fantastic day for transparency in Ireland as finally we have real residential property prices and transactions. Not asking prices, not just mortgage transactions, but real prices for real property. This blogpost examines what the information tells us and how we can use it.

1. Its use. Most people will seek the transaction data for their immediate locality to see what property comparable to theirs might be worth or what a prospective property to purchase might be worth. There will also be natural curiosity as to what a property fetched, particularly compared with asking prices. So alongside the data on the property register, you might be interested in the history of asking prices which you can find on a website like Collapso.net. No doubt in coming days some website, probably DAFT.ie  will link the transaction price with the original listing so that you can get a better idea of the specification. Some recent buyers might conclude that they overpaid for their property and they might have some robust questioning – at the very least! – for their valuer. Because the data only goes back 33 months, it will be some time before there are sufficient multiple sales of the same property to create a true index and even then there might be deterioration or improvement between two dates, but with some clever matching with estate agent details, we might see an index emerging more quickly.

2. Effect on prices. I would expect the register to have a negative effect on prices generally, because we generally have what would be characterised as a buyers’ market with mortgage credit restrictions, a general oversupply of property and a shaky outlook for the economy, not to mention the imminent introduction of a property tax and water charges. In some areas and for some property there might exceptionally be a sellers’ market, but across the board I would expect prices to decline to below the lowest recent transaction level and for there to be a 5-10% decline in October 2012 alone and a 10%-plus decline in the next three months. After that, who knows, the concensus amongst economists and ratings agencies seems to be that a 60% decline from peak is in prospect and that would indicate a further 20% decline from today as measured by the CSO. But who knows – ultimately property will reach a price where buyers and sellers strike deals. And you should take forecasts from whatever quarter – including from on here – with a pinch of salt and remember that forecasts are for the market generally and individual properties with individual buyers, sellers and circumstances may deviate from “the market”

3. Effect on sales transactions. I would expect the register to have a positive effect on generating transactions because both buyer and seller can see what comparables actually fetch in the market, and although each property will be different as will the buyer and seller and the circumstances of the sale and purchase, the gap between both sides should be narrowed to allow realistic bargains to be struck more quickly. In that sense, the register should boost a recovery in transaction volumes.

4. Trends from the data published today. There were 53,000 residential property transactions in the past 33 months, so the market has not been exactly moribund in the sense of volumes being transacted. Unfortunately the data only goes back to January 2010 so unless the same property has been sold more than once in the past 33 months then it is difficult to establish price pattern. Overall the volumes of sales declined in 2011 by 13% compared with 2010 but volumes nationally look set to increase by 6% in 2012 if you assume the 2012 data published relates to nine months and then gross that up to 12 months. The value of transactions on the other hand declined by 27% in 2011 compared to 2010 and it looks as if there will be a 5% decline in 2012.  The first table below shows the volume of transactions by county by year, the second shows the values.

5. Errors. The data has errors, and with 53,000 individual records, that shouldn’t come as a surprise. Some addresses lack sufficient detail to identify the property. Some amounts are wrong with a house on an estate in Limerick showing a sale price of €125m! These should be corrected in due course and I know that moves are afoot to better specify some addresses.

6. Cash and the accuracy of the CSO index. It would appear that by comparing the transactions for the first six months of 2012 with the number of mortgage approvals as reported by the Irish Bank Federation, that around 40% of the market by volume is cash. Are properties sold to cash buyers showing greater declines than the CSO mortgage-only transaction index? Difficult to know, because the register doesn’t tell us if a transaction was cash- or mortgage-based. The view on here is that there shouldn’t be a huge difference between the two, otherwise valuers acting for mortgage companies would block mortgages on property where the agreed sale price was significantly higher than cash-only transactions would suggest.

All in all, it is a great day for transparency and we should thank the IMF for frogmarching this Government into finally delivering the price register, though it should be said that government parties of all hues have failed in this regard over the last four decades. Three cheers for Ajai!

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  1. on September 30, 2012 at 9:00 pm dan

    tried out the property price website by typing in two addresses i know
    one was Burnell square northern cross dublin 17 it told me two apartments sold in the complex number 107 and 109 and the prices were in excess of 200k firstly Burnell square only has 101 apartments and secondly a one bed is for sale currently for 75k so i don’t know where there info is coming from
    also a house in drogheda that sold for 100k was put up on the site at 142kl


    • on December 20, 2012 at 3:20 pm EAR

      That is rubbish, the apartments don’t necessarily go from 1-101!!! There is a block which goes from 104 to 120!


      • on December 20, 2012 at 7:54 pm Dan

        That’s fine so where are the two apartments that sold for over 200k as ther is a one bed on daft for 75k that has not sold in eight months


  2. on September 30, 2012 at 9:42 pm grumpy

    Interesting that there seems to be plenty of buying power for prestige houses, take the posher parts of North Dublin. “Georgian Village” reveals that 700k is current price for houses there, but the slightly bigger ones, with bigger gardens go for a whopping 650K MORE!


  3. on September 30, 2012 at 10:23 pm Sporthog

    The only purpose of the property price register I will be using is for evaluating my home for the new property tax.

    One can just see it, as the market improves, so goes the annual property tax, upwards!!


  4. on September 30, 2012 at 10:28 pm Collapso (@CollapsoIRL)

    I will update the site in the coming days


  5. on September 30, 2012 at 10:54 pm Eoghan

    Is it known if there will be information about the characteristics of the dwellings added to the data, number of bedrooms / bathrooms, square footage etc?


    • on September 30, 2012 at 10:57 pm namawinelake

      @Eoghan, no there are no plans for the PSRA to add those items of information, but other parties might provide this type of information or perhaps a link to the estate agent’s advertisement for the property.


  6. on October 1, 2012 at 9:11 am House ponzi scheme

    Map Analysis for Salthill In Galway from RPPR.

    Easy to do.

    Just copy the data from RPPR drop it into http://www.batchgeo.com and it produces this neat map showing the location, address, price and date sold.

    Could not locate 11 properties out of my sample of 93.

    http://batchgeo.com/map/3372523360aab7b72056c21a141afaef

    With a bit of group work we could produce a map for the the country.


  7. on October 1, 2012 at 10:51 am Don Giovanni

    @houseponzi

    Wow, wow, wow!! I am technologically useless, but thats a form of magic what you just did there!!! fair play, that would be a massively useful tool.


  8. on October 1, 2012 at 11:01 am the irish hedge fund guy

    Hi, just logged in and searched by blackrock. The data is easily imported into excel. Certainly some errors in there, & spelling mistakes. However, finally we have some notion of actual prices, hurrah.


  9. on October 1, 2012 at 1:28 pm JR

    2010 mean price – 253,684
    2011 mean price – 215,372
    2012 mean price – 194,578
    mean prices declined 15% in 2011 and 10% in 2012.
    2012 v 2010, mean 24% decline.

    hard data, though not 100% accurate as stated by nwl, there must be a bit of a crossover with the euromillions winners database.
    I used mean values to negate 2012 forecasts.
    A County by County mean price would be interesting, i.e. the same mean for Co. Waterford is 18%, 21% & 35% respectively.


  10. on October 1, 2012 at 3:10 pm David

    Your figure of 40% by volume for cash purchase in 2012 is on the low side is it not. So if there were 5,050 new mortgage drawdowns (FTB, movers and BTLs) in H1, and 9,378 transaction to end-June that would give you a figure of 46% cash element? Maybe I’m wrong?


    • on October 1, 2012 at 3:33 pm namawinelake

      @David, that is about right though the Irish Bank Federation figures are for 95%+ of the market and there are duplicates in the data, but yes around 46%.


      • on October 1, 2012 at 3:57 pm David

        Great, thanks!


  11. on October 1, 2012 at 3:41 pm Brian

    @Dan, I live in Burnell Square in an apartment whose number is greater than 101. A one bed sold for 75k *shocked*


    • on October 1, 2012 at 6:29 pm dan

      hi brian
      it has not sold yet its still on daft or myhome don’t no where 107 and 109 are i live on third floor with only 3 apts above me



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