In the dirty little scrap that took place last week after Citibank economist Willem Buiter said Ireland should be planning for the possibility of a second bailout, it seemed to be lost on us all – regardless of whether or not Ireland needs a second bailout – we will need to continue borrowing. Even by 2015 when we plan to have a 3% budget deficit which will amount to €5bn-plus, we will need borrow. Plus we have debt maturing and we will need to start paying back our first bailout. So we will need to borrow. That’s an unassailable fact.
The argument is about whether or not we will be able to borrow from the open market, mostly the sovereign bond market, at so-called “sustainable” rates. But should we really be concerned whether we get the funds from the open market or a second bailout though? The perceived wisdom is that a bailout will have strings attached, and we don’t want foreigners sticking their noses into the running of our country, we don’t want them turning up each quarter assessing our progress and we don’t want to have to ask permission any time we think of a policy. We want to, in the words of An Taoiseach Enda Kenny, “wave goodbye to AJ (sic) Chopra and the IMF”
But let’s step back for a moment and consider the immense benefits – both achieved and in prospect – of the bailout
(1) It’s cheap. Whilst Irelandis paying an average interest rate of just 3.7% on its bailout, the mugs in Italyand Spainhave been paying 6-7% in recent months on the issuance of new long term debt. France’s 10-year bond closed at 3.1% last week, and it may come under renewed pressure following the confirmation of the S&P downgrade. Ireland’s 10-year bond is at 7.8%, and hasn’t been much below 5% in the past five years. So 3.7% is an absolute steal.
(2) Independent fiscal advice council. This was announced last July 2011, just about meeting a commitment date in the bailout Memorandum of Understanding. The Fiscal Responsibility Bill is currently wending its way through the Oireachtas but what we should have by the end of March 2012 is an expert economics panel who will give their views openly on Government projections and the effect of any policy announcement. The existence of this council should combat the tradition of gombeenism which promises and legislates in a way which runs counter to the interests of the country as a whole, in favour of short-term electoral victories and benefits to vested interests.
(3) The legal and medical professions. Some pretty limp-wristed legislation was introduced last year to combat the high cost and competitive distortions of our two leading professions. Limp-wristed but a start. It will be at least a couple of years before we see the effects of the new measures, but if we still end up with the second highest legal costs in Europe (after Moscow), it will not go unnoticed by the IMF.
(4) Personal insolvency. Ireland had the most draconian personal insolvency (bankruptcy) legislation that I have seen, which was effectively non-existent judging by the very small number declared bankrupt each year (single digits were not unusual annual figures). Last year, under pressure from the IMF, the Government made some light amendments to the legislation, but this year, we expect to have spanking new legislation that will haul Irelandinto the 20th century, and allow people with unsustainable debts a humane and economically efficient means of getting on with their lives. Do you think this would be happening without the IMF breathing down our necks?
(5) House prices! By mid-2012 we should finally have an open database of house prices in this country. Called for at least since 1973 with the publication of the Kenny Report, successive governments have superficially all welcomed the Kenny Report recommendations but somehow seem unable to enact them when they get into power. It was laughable during the previous government’s term to hear data protection being held up to shield the administration from enacting something promised in its programme for government, Hand on heart, I don’t believe we would now be getting a House Price Database unless it was required by the Memorandum of Understanding.
(6) Political pigtroughery. Despite having an independent media in this country, it is still only occasionally that we get an insight into the ludicrous cost of Government, which will naturally enough act to protect its own perks and privileges. At least with the IMF controlling the purse-strings, we may have whipsaw pressure from the public and the IMF, so that we can have get the cost of Government down to a reasonable level.
(7) NAMA. There had been signs that the Government last year was going to politically interfere in NAMA on a grand scale, farming out its asset management functions to 3-4 asset management companies for example. Although Government interference has increased and NAMA has a dedicated contact number for politicians and rumour has it that ministers do ring the NAMA CEO Brendan McDonagh to ask for decisions to be expedited and in some cases reversed. But for all of that, the IMF understands NAMA’s objectives and will help the independence of the Agency by identifying damaging political interference. NAMA was one of the first bodies to meet the bailout teams last week; if Brendan McDonagh complains of political interference, it is likely the comment will appear in the IMF’s assessment.
(8) Stress tested banks. Remember before the bailout, our own financial regulator, Matthew Elderfield had overseen not one but two stress tests of the banks. The first turned out to be hopelessly inaccurate in underestimating the losses in our banks, and the second suffered from poor credibility after the first fiasco. The IMF and EU oversaw the stress tests in March 2011, which received no small amount of welcome from markets.
(9)Croke Park (agreement with unions to protect pay levels in return for reforms), social welfare and income tax rates. To close the budget deficit, it is likely that Ireland will need some form of wealth tax. It is also likely that top salaries in the public sector will need be significantly cut. But even that will not balance the books and the view on here is that Croke Park which protects salaries amongst all levels of the public sector, social welfare rates and income tax levels will need be adjusted. All are political hot potatoes which governments will try to avoid. The IMF will make it happen.
(10) Our economic sovereignty. On current projections, it will take eight years, from 2008-2015 for Ireland to adjust to the collapse of our financial and property sectors. Eight years. And it will be a challenge to have a near-balanced budget by 2015. But without the up-close-and-personal involvement of the IMF, do we think we could balance the books ourselves under the traditional standard of Irish political competence? Whilst remaining a member of the euro?
So the next time politicians poo-poo the notion of a second bailout, perhaps we can remind them of the politically difficult but beneficial reforms the IMF has effected in this country, not to mention the rock-bottom interest rates charged on the bailout. The reforms however are far from complete, so a second bailout and further oversight from our friends at the IMF, might just be in the interests of the country as a whole.
Amen
Probably the most intelligent and reasoned analysis of why we should be looking for a second bail out. This list of points should be waved in front of every politician in the country as we as a people want our country sorted properly and not have ecenomic policy dictated by political whim and vote gathering potential.
Well said!
Dan O’Brien of IT needs to read this!
Along with the embedded elites of course!
Great article, really well put togther and logically sound arguements.
No. 11 The IMF may decide to deal with the above market rents being paid by businesses in Ireland. The government caved to property vested interest and failed to deal with the issue despite promising to do so.
(12) Dose of reality for our elite. In being told what to do by their IMF “betters”, politicians and senior civil servants might get an insight into what it’s like for most citizens who are dictated to in a condescending manner.
(Well, we can hope at least)
The “interest rate” is off an artificially high basis,if you strip out the debts due to bondholders or at least deduct a decent hairircut the effective borrowing costs are a lot higher.May even approach “market” levels for the debts that should be paid.
The market pricing is a function of the level of indebtedness,past history is a factor.But if it’s perceived that going forward you are weighted down with unsustainable debt robbing Peter to pay Paul won’t affect the interest rate.
Goes without saying then that Citi then gets paid in full as do its clients,hedge funds it may have exposure to.Complex instruments or derivatives it’s potentially on the losing side off in event of default,beware the messenger here.
Citi is acting in its own self interest,as it should,if Ireland laid out a decent well considered plan,to torch all holders of banking related debts significantly reducing its level of debt the market would respond positively.
The “real” interest rate on “new” reduced debt may approach the annual carry on the currently proposed level of debt required.
If the choice is mid 7’s on significantly reduced principle or 3’s on dramatically inflated and artificial basis,take the mid 7’s.
Keep in mind “sale of the century” is scheduled to commence with state assets about to hit the block into an awful market,at exactly the bottom,asset stripping of all the decent parts of the banks continues.NAMA wanders along with its scorched earth policy of dumping income producing assets,no checks and balances or transparency.
Line up the money as a standby,then go off the reservation,the current path is not conductive to an orderly return to markets,too much debt.
re personal insolvency and a little off-topic. How should professionals with potentially good future earnings be handled? For example a dentist that bought a load of investment properties. Say he has an expected salary off 100k and a negative net worth of 1 million. How would his bankruptcy be handled? I guess you could extend this to a large number of professionals or workers in sheltered areas.
@AM carefully with kid gloves it appears,the interesting angle is that some professions disallow members from practicing if adjudicated a BK,Mick Wallace,Barristers,Solicitors,Judges,actually not an expert here but some professionals do not allow it.
Can say a senior Guard working in the Fraud Squad continue if BK,but I think dentists are OK,doctors may also be impacted.
So under current laws and professional rules you would on top off everything else lose the right to earn a living in your professional field,but in Ireland ‘professionals’ never go BK!
Excellent review.
Much rather be run by prudent and cautious Germans that the crowd of yahoos in the Dail. Al the indicators are that they would land us in the same trouble in 20 years time. The pigtroughers are still ready to drive a new property bubble.
One major quibble:
“Despite having an independent media in this country”.
The hyped property bubble proved that we have a media that sold out to the vested interests.
It’s still the same just watch the property porn from print media, listen to RTE hyping “we have reached the bottom” from auctioneers and for the Denis O’Brien outfits…nuff said..
With the notable exception of NWL most property coverage is thinly disguised advertising.
In nine days you are paying them 1,250,00,000 YEP 1.25 BILLION to the prudent and cautious,for that right.
Agree to take the money,then start negotiating.
Sounds good but children and the unborn have rights but no votes and loading their earnings with taxes before they are born or working is unconstitutional therefore unlawful.
The only way to protect them and us who are being asked to pay for all of the gains that should never have been paid from the construction boom taxes is to make those who gained do the repaying and that mostly is the public sector along with the politicians, of course. “Between 1997 and 2010 public service pay and pensions bill rose by almost 400 per cent, from €5.6 billion to more than €20 billion. The cost of living increased by 40 per cent in the same period.”* Our economy cannot in any circumstances sustain that and as Citi’s economists forecast the eventual default of up to 82% of Irish private sector debt ** we can see where Willem Buiter is coming from.
The law and the constitution is still the reality we have to face and if we blow it Greece will seem like a tea-party. They have big tax avoiders and will I think start getting tough by offering inducements to voluntarily pay up and stiff fines for not coming forward when caught.
We have already increased our debt since the bailout and will continue to do so it seems up to 2015 following present policy. Any banker would say get more cheap money if at all possible, given the figures they have on Ireland so keeping public sector heads in the sand on this will get their tails kicked soundly if Citi’s economists are right. There is no logical reason to doubt them but if politicians – or those doing their thinking – cannot be forced to act to reduce debt by as much and as fast as possible and do it constitutionally the outlook looks bleak.
* Whatever price we pay to keep the euro is worth it.
STEPHEN COLLINS. Sat, Dec 03, 2011 © 2011 The Irish Times
** Private sector debt default inevitable, say analysts
LAURA SLATTERY and DEREK SCALLY. Mon, Jun 27, 2011. © 2011 The Irish Times
Great argument NWL. I would baulk though at the notion that Brendan McDonagh might ever complain to the IMF of political interference. As he is now a public servant and ‘insider’, he will know where his bread is buttered and will be looking at other juicy State appointments down the road.
For me, the most depressing thing about this post is the fact that many essential reforms will not happen without the IMF’s insistence. Let’s hope that organisation’s reforming zeal isn’t smothered by their new leader from the dirigiste tradition.
The Irish Times report that members of the Construction Industry federation are meeting with the Troika today to talk about the impact of austerity measures on the industry. I hope they explained to the troika that they played a big part in destroying the country. It is interesting that of all the people/groups in the country, the property lobby are allowed access to the new bosses. Tom Parlon and his colleagues are shameless and which ever politician allowed them access to the troika should be sacked.
Why no official statement or support from the Irish govt. ?
“There is considerable posturing in these sorts of negotiations, and the troika has threatened to withdraw aid in the past, only to approve the next loan installment. It may do so again despite its misgivings, because the alternative of an uncontrolled default is too risky. But it will do so only if negotiations with private bondholders can be completed successfully.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/16/world/europe/europe-now-doubts-that-greece-can-embrace-reform.html?pagewanted=1&hp
JG said
‘Too much debt,not enough stimulus and state assets going under the hammer.
The IMF are not your friends,debt will have to be forgiven and forgotten’
Almost everyone, Europhiles and eurosceptics, optimists and pessimists, agree.
Some have being making this exact argument for over two years now.
I think it is the ‘not your freinds’ bit where people are blocked in disbelief. How could someone not be ireland’s friend?
Maybe after speaking with the contruction lobby the Troika may wish to take time for some volunteer work with the following powerful lobby:
http://www.independent.ie/health/health-news/hse-to-cut-555-public-beds-in-community-nursing-homes-this-year-2989916.html
The ten commandments,hoping someone drops them on the way down from the mount.
1-‘its cheap’ so is Special Brew,base is artificially inflated,effective interest rate closer to prevailing in market.
2-Fiscal council-still no budget comments,any day now,any day now.
3-Savings here more than offset by the bond payments.
4-Level of negative equity would have to address this either way.
5-Red herring-won’t impact the market,welcome but….
6-How about stricter media ownership rules.
7-Top of the class they also get to handle selling off the state assets.
8-The point here is…..what markets what welcome they are still ban jacked.
9-Labour is really really going to commit Harakiri.
10-1.25 BILLION this month,expensive solution for some advice.
Too much debt,not enough stimulus and state assets going under the hammer.
The IMF are not your friends,debt will have to be forgiven and forgotten,the burden is too great given the devastation being wrecked on a already fragile economy. Significant social unrest and protest,will inevitably follow if the current path is not altered.
The Greek situation,is on track to implode any day,the IMF is not going to pull the plug its desperate for a ‘success’ play hardball.
Very happy to see this post.
You said it, NWL.
More than anything we need to “wave goodbye” to the irish establishment as currently constituted.
We need to “wave goodbye” to irish gombeenism for ever and ever.
We currently have the best opportunity ever of doing this. (Not to mention the cheap money and other assistance.)
(1) It’s cheap. Whilst Irelandis paying an average interest rate of just 3.7% on its bailout, the mugs in Italyand Spainhave been paying 6-7% in recent months on the issuance of new long term debt
This is a very definite number,there was significant criticism of the ESFS portion including deducting fees up front and reserves in event of default,which was to be paid to guarantors.
Any source or reference for above rate,various commentstors including Buiter last year suggested higher interest rate.
Also,the money is short term.
@John, the 3.7% is sourced from your friend, John C Corrigan’s NTMA performance review issued last Friday.
“During 2011 Ireland drew down €34.5 billion under the EU/IMF programme at an average
interest rate of 3.7 per cent (following hedging operations by the NTMA to guard against
currency and interest rate risk) and an average maturity of 7.5 years”
Click to access NTMAResultsAndBusinessReview2011.pdf
@NWL thank you for that,another reason to fire him,WTF has hedging got to do with the interest rate on new money.This is BS will get back to you.
What is NTMA saying,the interest rate is the interest rate not some blended average after heading rates and currencies.
Re Corrigan,working on the ‘numbers’ will take a while but these statements jumped out.Why are NTMA executives flying all over the world scrounging for investors,they employ and PAY primary brokers to distribute at retail level the bonds,IF/WHEN we return to the markets.Why the desire/need to press the flesh so badly,nothing to talk about waste of time and taxpayers money.
Investors relations my ass,swanning around the world at taxpayers expense.
Joint Commit. on Finance Sept. 2011.
“Since the publication of the results of the bank stress tests under the Central Bank’s PCAR/PLAR process on 31 March last the NTMA has met over 200 investment institutions both in Dublin and in North America, Europe and Asia as part of an intensified investor relations programme. ”
NTMA Results 2011.
“Since May we have met over 300 institutional investors in North America, Europe and Asia,” said Mr Corrigan
The most significant change that impacted interest rates was in July-link above.
“The eurozone Heads of State and Government announced a broad range of measures on 21 July 2011. They agreed to expand the role of the European Financial Stability Facility and they agreed a new second aid package for Greece. They also agreed to a lower interest rate and longer maturities
for borrowings under the existing aid programmes for Ireland, Portugal and Greece”
At that stage NTMA had drawn down:
Other Debt incl IMF, EFSM, EFSF 17,798. Q1
Other Debt incl IMF, EFSM, EFSF 22,206. Q2
Total end Q2 40,004.
Were the changes retrospective,significant commentary was made of the terms of the ESFS loan package,it was front loaded with the effective interest rate calculated as above 6%.
The ‘interest rate’ quoted by NTMA requires significant scrutiny and explanation.
@John, the interest rates charged on the various components of our bailout were subject to change in 2011, most notably after the July 21st 2011 EU summit. The EU and UK now charge us an interest rate close to cost.
@NWL now that FrAAAnce is FrAAnce and with the EFSM going from AAA to AA,this may increase,but any indication if the changes were retrospective or applied to ‘new’ money. Also,my understanding of the ESFS deal was that there were various fees for the guarantors of 0.05% charged upfront on the total loan amount, hold backs or cash buffers involved,were these waived.
Hard to believe the ‘interest rate’ after ehm,hedging, was sub 4.
Unfortunately,being a opaque and secretive organisation the NTMA does not provide sufficient information to question these statements.The DS of 5.4 billion also does not ‘match up’ with the interest rate quoted by NTMA,but in fairness applies to total debt.
Apologies,still working on it,shame the NTMA does not release sufficient information to ascertain this,just a ‘number’,reminds me of Brendan’s contortions and waffling on ‘interest’ before the committee.
all links etc NTMA site,in NWL post.