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Irish residential property prices – Q3, 2011 roundup

October 3, 2011 by namawinelake

As we now have the usual quarterly troika of Irish residential property price surveys from DAFT.ie, Myhome.ie and Sherry FitzGerald, this entry is a roundup to see what the surveys are telling us. Here’s the overview.

(1)  At a national level, prices dropped 3-5% in quarter three of 2011 and 14-17% in the last year and are now 42-58% down from peak.

(2) In Dublin, prices dropped 4-5% in quarter three and 15-18% in the last year and are now 48-62% down from peak.

(3) DAFT.ie and Myhome.ie both provide 26-county-by-county results.

(3a) DAFT.ie says that for Q3, 2011, Roscommon recorded the biggest decline with prices dropping 7.8%. On the other hand, prices in Monaghan rose by 12.3% in the quarter.

(3b) Myhome.ie says that for Q3, 2011, Offaly recorded the biggest decline with a whopping 18.85% (32% in the past 12 months). Unexpectedly perhaps, prices actually rose in Q3, 2011 in Carlow and Monaghan, by 5.7% and 2.3% respectively. And prices in Monaghan have risen by 24.3% in the past year!

In terms of how the different sources compile their statistics this is what each has to say.

(1) DAFT.ie : Its index is based on properties advertised on Daft.ie for a given period. The national average is built up from Census weights per county, in effect ensuring the average reflects where people live, not any variations from that that may exist in Daft’s market share. The regressions used are hedonic price regressions, accounting for all available and measurable attributes of properties and only coefficients with a very high degree of statistical significance (p < 0.001) are used. The average monthly sample size for sales during 2009 was over 10,000. Indices are based on standard methods, holding the mix of characteristics constant, with the annual average of 2007 used as the base. A working paper on the methodologies employed in both rental and sales markets will be published on the Daft.ie website soon. Stock and flow statistics are calculated using consistent series for the period covered. The change to the national average price is built up from Census weights per county, in effect ensuring the average reflects where people live, not any variations from that that may exist in Daft’s market share.

(2) Myhome.ie : Its index is based on actual asking prices of properties advertised on MyHome.ie with comparisons by quarter over the last six years. This represents the majority of properties for sale inIreland from lead­ing estate agents nationwide.  The series in this report have been produced using a combination of statistical techniques. Their data is collected from quarterly snapshots of active, available properties on MyHome.ie. Their main National andDublin indices have been constructed with a widely-used regression technique which adjusts for change in the mixture of properties for sale in each quarter. Since the supply of property in each quarter has a different combination of types, sizes and locations, the real trends in property prices are easily obscured. Their method is designed to reflect price change independent of this variation in mix.

(3) Sherry FitzGerald : Its index is based on the analysis of a basket of properties in its locations nationwide.  Commencing in 1996 in theDublin market, it was extended nationwide in 1999. Each basket of properties was chosen based on a weighted profile of properties in each location.  The basket extends to over 1,500 properties, which are re-valued on a monthly basis forDublin properties and a quarterly basis for nationwide properties with results produced quarterly. The basket is held constant and re-valued based on market evidence.  Sherry FitzGerald through its franchise network is represented in every major city, town and county inIreland.

So two of the above are asking price indices and the Sherry FitzGerald index is a valuation assessment index (akin to how SCS/IPD and JLL compile the commercial property indices as far as I can see)

In addition to the above surveys, Ireland has two actual sale price series, one from the Department of the Environment Housing and Local Government which is an atrociously crude average of mortgage transactions and is issued six months after the event; the other is new and is from the CSO and is issued monthly and is an hedonic index but only based on mortgages at eight Irish lending institutions. The bill giving legislative effect to House Price Database  – called the Property Services (Regulation) Bill – is set to be debated in the Oireachtas later in October 2011 and might mean we get actual prices for all transaction, cash and mortgage, in the not-too-distant future but since we have been waiting for a register since at least 1974 when the Kenny Report recommendation was accepted by all, I wouldn’t hold my breath, though at least the IMF will be breathing down our politicians’ necks to deliver on what is a Memorandum of Understanding commitment

In terms of outlook for property prices, who knows? “Challenging” is how I would describe the consensus opinion. Ronan Lyons, economist at DAFT.ie points to credit availability, a housing supply overhang and current-market rents continuing to apply downward pressure on prices. Annette Hughes of DKM who provides an economic analysis for the Myhome.ie survey, sees the European debt crisis continuing to hang over our domestic market, though she does point out thatIreland’s economy notched up an impressive second-quarter GDP/GNP growth. Marian Finnegan, economist at Sherry FitzGerald predicts a fall in interest rates and an increasing significance of cash buyers reflected in registrations with the estate agency.

These are the latest predictions/projects captured on here which I believe to be a comprehensive reflection of reported predictions and projections, though if you feel there is any omission, please contact me so that I can update the table; house price projections in Ireland can be a vexed subject!

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  1. on October 3, 2011 at 1:03 pm kennyk

    What gives with Monaghan? A well informed band of investors alert to a Patrick Kavanagh renaissance. Is the man popular in China? Outliers in the data? UK buyers beating inflation? Sites for sale being converted into farmland?

    FICO blog on the US market. “No man’s land” sums it up nicely.

    http://bankinganalyticsblog.fico.com/2011/09/is-it-really-all-doom-and-gloom-in-the-us-housing-sector.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+fico%2FOFhk+%28Banking+Analytics+Blog%29


  2. on October 3, 2011 at 1:29 pm Ronan Lyons (@ronanlyons)

    Hi namawinelake,
    For your table, the comparable figure for Dublin, in terms of the year-on-year rate of change, is -17.8%.

    Hope that helps.

    On Carlow/Monaghan, these did seem to be county-wide phenomena. It will be interesting to see what happens these quarters in the next three months, as there have been a number of counties at various points which have registered smaller increases q-on-q but this has typically given way to large falls the following quarter.


    • on October 3, 2011 at 1:36 pm namawinelake

      @Ronan, many thanks, updated.


  3. on October 3, 2011 at 2:25 pm Ahura M

    @NWL,
    MyHome provide a national average price = Eur241,334. This differs a little (big) bit from NWL’s Eur177,812. Somebody isn’t right. MyHome seems a little daft :)

    @RonanL,

    When you’re producing the daft reports, how do you factor in properties marked to aspirations? Admittedly it’s not an easy thing to do. The reason I ask is after the last Allsop auction I browsed the maps on daft and thought that many prices looked too high when benchmarked against the auction results. For example, if you check out 2 bed apartments in Dublin areas where no distressed sales have taken place prices seem to be benchmarked to nearby properties rather than equivalent property prices from auctions. It’s perfectly reasonable for these property owners to stick with prices they hope to sell for, however this doesn’t really reflect where the market price is.


    • on October 3, 2011 at 2:34 pm namawinelake

      @Ahura, quite right. Myhome is claiming the average asking price nationally at peak was €414,663 (€241,334 / (1-41.8%)). PTSB/ESRI said the average settled price based on PTSB mortgages at peak was €313,998. There was a 24% difference back then, looks about the same today. I am happy that the CSO’s index shows a close correlation with the PTSB/ESRI (they’re out about 0.5% in November 2009).

      What’s the difference between Myhome and NWL? There will be asking versus settled prices of course but beyond that, pass.


  4. on October 3, 2011 at 4:10 pm Yields or Bust

    @kennyk

    It’s the Gold in them there Monaghan hills, allegedly !


  5. on October 3, 2011 at 5:51 pm who_shot_the_tiger

    The Monaghan people come from a long line of entrepreneurs. It’s learnt from eking a living in the stony grey soil. They had to turn to smuggling – pigs, butter, diesel, sheep…. you name it, these folk have either exported or imported it.


  6. on November 21, 2011 at 2:21 pm Six reasons why the property market is going to be very slow to recover « Ireland after NAMA

    […] market is yet to reach its price floor.  Prices have fallen by 40-50% across the country and are expected to fall by c.60% by the time they are fully unwound.  There has been some speculation that the market might recover […]



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