• Home
  • NAMA property for sale
  • About
  • The Developers
  • The Tranches

NAMA Wine Lake

Click the green link above for latest news and over 2,600 related articles. NAMA – National Asset Management Agency – part of Ireland's response to its banking crisis and property bubble

Feeds:
Posts
Comments
« Third Allsop auction – analysis
Paddy McKillen v. NAMA – the legal costs. Is the final bill really €7m? »

An argument in favour of NAMA sitting on its assets for several years

September 25, 2011 by namawinelake

Regular readers of this blog will know that the view on here is that, in a financial sense, NAMA faces a bumpy future, and that it is by no means assured that the agency will break-even or make a modest profit by the time it is scheduled to disband in 2020 – remember that NAMA’s business plan from June 2010 was that the agency would deliver a Net Present Value of €1bn by the time it is wound up. The agency made a paper loss of €1.1bn in its first full year of operation, and despite the assertion by the NAMA CEO at the recent Oireachtas committee hearing that NAMA will make a €500m operating profit in 2011, it seems that further declines in property prices may more-than-offset this profit and deliver another loss for the full year. The view on here, stated on a number of occasions, is that NAMA will face a bumpy few years initially but by the latter part of this decade, prices should be rising by more than the carrying costs of the NAMA loans. But I don’t have a crystal ball, so my view that NAMA might be able to reverse its initial losses and break even, is just that – a view.

But on either side of that central view, there are extremes when considering NAMA’s ultimate result. On the negative side, if Ireland ends up on the outside of the euro, with the punt nua say, then the exchange rate initially might be set at IR £1= €1, but we will see the punt nua quickly lose its value, the betting is that it would be worth 33-66c within a short time after launch. NAMA’s debts, its bonds, are denominated in euros, so NAMA continues to have a €30bn debt. But the property underpinning NAMA’s loans, mostly property inIreland, will be transacted in punts nua, which is likely to mean NAMA runs up massive losses, illustrated below:

Irelandin the euro : NAMA assets – loans and property worth €30bn, NAMA liabilities – €30bn NAMA bonds denominated in euros

Ireland exits the euro: NAMA assets – loans still repayable in euros but property  will be valued and disposed of in punts nua, NAMA liabilities – NAMA bonds still denominated in euros

Irelandin 2020: NAMA assets – loans will have defaulted as borrowers are unable to meet repayments in the strong euro currency and property is worth far less in euros as the punt nua has declined in value against the euro, NAMA liabilities – NAMA bonds still denominated in euros

That would be the nightmare scenario for NAMA. But there is an extreme scenario on the other side as well, which seems increasingly plausible as the EuroZone (EZ) confronts its debt crisis. That scenario is that the EZ decides to create more money to deal with the debt crisis now threatening its economies. In theUSand theUK, they have already expanded the money supply with so-called Quantitative Easing (QE) which has cushioned the economic downturn but pushed up inflation. The EZ by contrast has gone “cold turkey” and tried to deal with the downturn mostly through austerity. This is what a QE scenario might look like for NAMA:

Irelandbefore euro QE – NAMA assets, loans and property worth €30bn, NAMA liabilities – €30bn NAMA bonds denominated in euros

Irelandafter euro QE – property worth more than €30bn and since a rise in property prices will help loan repayments, the loans will be worth more than €30bn up to a maximum of €72bn, the face value of the loans, NAMA liabilities – €30bn NAMA bonds denominated in euros

Now for this second scenario to come about, the ECB’s primary objective of containing inflation at around 2% would need to be suspended. Politically, countries with savings and deposits would need to be convinced that QE was in the common good; creditor countries that will see the value of their loans fall in real terms will need similar convincing.

How likely are the two extreme scenarios to come about? Very difficult to say but US Treasury Secretary, Timothy Geither seems to have secured agreement to boost the dollar reserves in EZ banks which might contribute to QE. And this weekend there are reports that the G20 – the group of 20 developed countries with the biggest economies – which is meeting in Washington, is leaning towards an EZ crisis resolution which will see €1.75tn deployed in Europe to help irrecoverably-indebted nations – Greece is the obvious candidate but Italy and Ireland can’t be too far behind – default on some of their debt, and also to recapitalise banks, which the EBA said two months ago needed just €2.5bn to weather adverse risks. The obvious question, not answered in this weekend’s reporting, is from where will the €1.75bn be sourced? And how can €1.75tn of additional funding be deployed across the EZ without giving rise to QE-related inflation? So from this perspective, it looks as if the better extreme for NAMA has a higher probability of coming about. But what would that mean for the agency?

NAMA has a primary objective of maximising returns to the tax-payer. So if the agency were to sit on its assets – loans and property – and wait for QE-related inflation kick in, which might boost prices by, for the sake of argument 5-10% per annum, then it might be in the agency’s financial interest to hold onto the assets for as long as possible. This would be very frustrating for society which is waiting on NAMA to make disposals and help set a price for property in an Irish market which is all but moribund. But arguably the market is moribund more because of an absence of funding, and if there was QE then funding should become more plentiful, particularly if a large part of the €1.75tn being talked about ends up being used to recapitalise the banks.

NAMA has a self-imposed objective of repaying 25% of its debt by December 2013, but contrary to what the NAMA chairman Frank Daly says, this is not “copper-fastened” with the IMF in the sense that it is not a formal part of the Memorandum of Understanding, so NAMA might decide to amend its self-imposed targets to repaying 10% by 2017, say.

NAMA of course has to deal with the certainty of the here-and-now, but it must surely be a consideration for the agency to take account of events in the EZ and look at how the value of its assets might be affected by the strategies now emerging.

Share this:

  • Twitter
  • Facebook
  • Reddit

Like this:

Like Loading...

Related

Posted in Banks, Greece, IMF, Irish economy, Irish Property, NAMA, Politics | 9 Comments

9 Responses

  1. on September 25, 2011 at 2:40 pm What Goes Up...

    There’s a phrase for that:

    Gambling for Resurrection!

    http://www.japlandic.com/2011/09/gambling-for-resurrection.html

    In fact – the ECB did a working paper on it in 2003:

    Click to access ecbwp298.pdf

    It doesn’t always end well… just ask the Japanese.


  2. on September 25, 2011 at 3:28 pm Joseph Ryan

    @NWL

    NAMA’s objective is supposed to ‘extract’ maximum value for the taxpayer. It is time for the Government / NAMA board to consider how to do that in light of ever changing circumstances. The following bare some essential considerations in such a review.

    1. As long as NAMA generates approx 1.2 billion annualy in lease/rents, it matters not one iota how long it holds onto properties. Such an income, which is certainly possible, and which would more than cover its bond interest, would allow NAMA to become one of the few AAA borrowers in Europe.
    2. NAMA should be split into a debt collection agency and property management company.
    3. NAMA’s property management company should have full obligations as to incomplete or partially complete properties.
    4. The State should impose targets on NAMA in relation to its semi-finished properties/ghost estates. Failure to meet such targets should be met with very heavy fines so that it is in NAMA’s interest to do its job.
    5. The State’s objective in the above should be to put people back to work in rehabilitating the devastation left by the irresponsibility of the banks, the developers and the previous governments.

    The self imposed targets that NAMA is currently setting itself to pay back bonds or loans or dispose of properties are plain nonsense. They come from the mind set of the Chairman and many board members whose lifetime has been spent in debt collection, receivership and liquidation and advice to failed governments.

    For the sake of the country NAMA policy is in urgent need of review and change. The current myopic view of value for the taxpayer needs to be thrown out.

    The extraction of value for the taxpayer, needs more skills than those of debt collection and liquidation. It needs the country to manage its property portfolio to generate income, to generate jobs in construction and to generate a social and environmental dividend for society as a whole.


  3. on September 25, 2011 at 3:35 pm who_shot_the_tiger

    @WGU, The ECB mathematicians will never will a Nobel prize with that. A working paper? I don’t think so – just mathematical gobbledegook founded on quasi-theorectical fabrications.

    It’s a thought provoking post, NWL. And both situations are very well analysed. I agree 100% that the market is moribund more because of an absence of funding than the supply of stock from NAMA. Liquidity is all. Until we have it, the economy we will continue to suffer from recession.

    For as long as I can remember there are two critical financial scenarios that decide whether or not we are in a recession – the banks are either lending, or they are not. Currently they are not and nothing has changed over time.


  4. on September 25, 2011 at 4:21 pm What Goes Up...

    @WSTT

    Well seeing as it’s the ECBs money (and their gobbledegook) that NAMA is playing with – then I would assume the concept of “gambling for resurrection” would be on their radar.

    As for the “not lending” = recession:

    The problem with the banks isn’t that they aren’t lending – it’s that they are zombies.

    They should have been taken behind the woodshed in September 2008.

    @NWL

    If Ireland were to go the default route, then the sensible thing for NAMA to do is simply say the whole SPV thing was a ruse and that the debts are back on the state.

    May as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb.


  5. on September 25, 2011 at 6:39 pm who_shot_the_tiger

    @WGU, I wouldn’t disagree with any of that. It was a BIG mistake that was made in September 2008…. HUGE. But zombie = no lending = recession. Worse, zombies actually eat the seed potatoes, never mind their young.


  6. on September 26, 2011 at 9:59 am Mean Scheme

    @NWL
    “.. if there was QE then funding should become more plentiful, particularly if a large part of the €1.75tn being talked about ends up being used to recapitalise the banks.”

    The point here is that the behaviour of the pillar banks are driven by self interest. They have been fully recapitalised to enable them to, but are not lending. They have shown us their true colours. They are tuned to a different wavelength which is to attempt to create shareholder value rather than to tend to the wider requirements of the economy by providing credit etc.

    We need to make a decision about what we want the bailed out banks to do – either collect all their money (a type of NAMA lite), or become tools to reconsitute the economy, and work from there. Each function is mutually exclusive.


    • on September 26, 2011 at 7:58 pm Joseph Ryan

      @Mean Scheme

      +1


  7. on September 26, 2011 at 3:11 pm An argument in favour of NAMA sitting on its assets for several years » Greece on WEB

    […] post by namawinelake Category: Uncategorized You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. […]


  8. on September 26, 2011 at 4:20 pm who_shot_the_tiger

    @Mean Scheme,
    “We need to make a decision about what we want the bailed out banks to do – either collect all their money (a type of NAMA lite), or become tools to reconsitute the economy, and work from there. Each function is mutually exclusive.”

    I must be mellowing. I’m starting to agree with everybody – I’ll soon have no one left to fight with (well, I’d miss Brian Flanagan if he ever softened his opinions).

    The above statement is so true and applies equally, or maybe even more so, in the case of NAMA, which has just as big an influence on our economy as the banks.



Comments are closed.

  • Recent Posts

    • Test – 12 November 2018
    • Farewell from NWL
    • Happy 70th Birthday, Michael
    • Of the Week…
    • Noonan denies IBRC legal fees loan approval to Paddy McKillen was in breach of European Commission commitments
    • Gayle Killilea Dunne asks to be added as notice party in Sean Dunne’s bankruptcy
    • NAMA sues Maria Byrne and Graham Byrne in Dublin’s High Court
    • Johnny Ronan finally wins a court case
  • Recent Comments

    Wisemama on Eddie Hobbs’s US “partner” fir…
    Dorothy Jones on Of the Week…
    Sean Bean on Eddie Hobbs’s US “partner” fir…
    John Foody on Of the Week…
    Wisemama on Eddie Hobbs’s US “partner” fir…
    otto on Of the Week…
    Frank Street on Of the Week…
    Wisemama on Eddie Hobbs’s US “partner” fir…
    John Gallaher on Of the Week…
    John Gallaher on Of the Week…
    who_shot_the_tiger on Eddie Hobbs’s US “partner” fir…
    Sean Bean on Eddie Hobbs’s US “partner” fir…
    otto on Of the Week…
    Brian Flanagan on Of the Week…
    Robert Browne on Gayle Killilea Dunne asks to b…
  • Twitter Updates

    • Funniest case in Irish legal history? 1. ex-Cllr Fred Forsey convicted of RECEIVING a corrupt payment 2. developer… twitter.com/i/web/status/1… 4 years ago
    • Really looking forward to this at 9pm tonight, esp the first Garda on the scene. Well worth reading this background… twitter.com/i/web/status/1… 4 years ago
    • Tea time on the day the president of the ECB tells us we [in Ireland] are paying more interest on our loans than th… twitter.com/i/web/status/1… 4 years ago
    • “I am grateful for you to refer to Mr Sugarman...on the specific question of Unicredit, responsibility at ECB lies… twitter.com/i/web/status/1… 4 years ago
    • @JMcGuinnessTD now confronts ECB about "the honest whistleblower" @WhistleIRL and his disclosures of liquidity issu… twitter.com/i/web/status/1… 4 years ago
    • Details, including court documents of class action in New York against Ryanair and CEO Michael O'Leary.… twitter.com/i/web/status/1… 4 years ago
    • Draghi tells @paulmurphy_TD the ECB doesn't remove govts, the people do, that's democracy. Bet the people will be m… twitter.com/i/web/status/1… 4 years ago
    • Wow! Draghi says there is no net interest cost for the Anglo bonds whilst they're held by the Irish central bank. T… twitter.com/i/web/status/1… 4 years ago
    Follow @namawinelake
  • Click on date for that day’s posts

    September 2011
    M T W T F S S
     1234
    567891011
    12131415161718
    19202122232425
    2627282930  
    « Aug   Oct »
  • Blog Stats

    • 5,116,811 hits

Blog at WordPress.com.

WPThemes.


Privacy & Cookies: This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this website, you agree to their use.
To find out more, including how to control cookies, see here: Cookie Policy
  • Follow Following
    • NAMA Wine Lake
    • Join 1,326 other followers
    • Already have a WordPress.com account? Log in now.
    • NAMA Wine Lake
    • Customize
    • Follow Following
    • Sign up
    • Log in
    • Copy shortlink
    • Report this content
    • View post in Reader
    • Manage subscriptions
    • Collapse this bar
%d bloggers like this: