A phenomenon of the current financial crisis has been the colossal sums of money involved – the banks may cost us €70bn to bailout, we have an annual deficit of €18bn, our national debt is likely to peak over €200bn. For a country with a population of 4.6m, these numbers are truly gigantic. Indeed they are so big that we sometimes lose sight of what the numbers will mean to us individually or as communities. Having already suffered levies and charges to our wages, we have also seen cut-backs to services, and these look set to intensify. The closure of the Roscommon Accident and Emergency facility may have attracted a lot of headlines, but in truth there are 1,000 Roscommons coming down the track. Meantime, week-in and week-out we continue to repay bondholders in Irish banks. Two months ago we repaid €200m in unsecured unguaranteed senior bondholders at Anglo, the zombie bank. That’s just under half of the €470m annual cost of the nationwide Jobs Initiative, it’s three times the €65m saving from recently-announced cuts to the fuel, electricity and phone allowances for social welfare recipients which charities say will have a detrimental impact on vulnerable older people and if I understand the figures here correctly, it’s twice the annual cost saving of the planned closures to accident and emergency services at selected hospitals throughout the country. When you consider these comparisons, the billions start to come into focus and become relevant to our lives.
Since March this year, there has been a weekly protest march in the village of Ballyhea in Cork, just south of Charleville along the N20 going to Mallow. It’s a non-political 10-minute march each Sunday before the 11 o’clock Mass through a stretch of the village. Here’s a picture of a typical Sunday morning’s march:
And since March 2011, the villagers have also held a special march in Thurles, and then in June 2011, there was an extraordinary week-long journey on foot or bicycle from Ballyhea to Leinster House to hand in a petition. In recent weeks, its march has been replicated in Charleville. This community is not going “gentle into that good night”. And this week, the community in the person of local resident, Diarmuid O’Flynn, has launched a Facebook page to keep track of when we repay bondholders and how much. It also encourages discussion on what these repayments might alternatively be used for. There are plans to email the IMF whenever a bond is repaid, and ask why the IMF is standing idly by and abandoning its principles of burden-sharing and making a special case of forcingIreland to repay debt that many say is unsustainable. The IMF has only just managed to shrug off an image of savage interventions in developing countries where adjustments have been accompanied by wide-spread societal damage. The IMF will be reminded of the week-in, week-out damage being wrought on this country by its inaction. And the European Commissioner for Economic and Monetary Affairs, Olli Rehn, will be routinely asked why he supports a programme which drives Ireland further and further away from the 60% debt:GDP cap enshrined in the Stability and Growth Pact and which our Finnish friend was supposed to police alongside the 3% deficit:GDP cap. Indeed the ECB itself will be a recipient of regular communication so that it too understands the disproportionate damage being wrought on this nation, by its adopted position on protecting bondholders. And of course the Facebook page may become a stick to poke our own politicians.
The data used on the Facebook page has come from Bloomberg and you can read more about its sourcing here. There are some discrepancies with the totals provided on a once-off basis by the Central Bank ofIreland in April 2011. Unfortunately it has not been possible to clarify the discrepancies with the CBI which overall total some 10% of the total figures.
The Facebook page has just been launched and will grow to feature graphic tables on bonds just paid and bonds about to be paid imminently.
Now to add balance to the above, at least two issues should be made clear
(1) It might be worth understanding the bait-and-switch scam before reading the following. This is a scam where something attractive is offered to you, perhaps at a cheap price, but when it comes to completing the transaction, a substitute is provided so you end up over-paying, compared with your initial perception. Hold onto that concept.
Ireland’s current economic woes are only partly tied to cost of dealing with the banks. In addition, we have a nasty budget deficit – what we take in, in tax is a lot less than what we spend on social welfare and the public sector. The primary deficit, excluding bank and interest costs, is presently €15bn a year, in other words we take in €41bn in tax and we spend €56bn on running the country with health (€11bn), social welfare (€14bn) and education (€8bn) being the biggest outgoings. And at this stage, we know inside-out the reason for the deficit: during the boom years of the 2000s, we matched our expenditure with our revenues, we reduced taxes, increased welfare rates and public sector spending. And the engine which largely drove that growth in the 2000s, banking and property, has suddenly and disastrously ground to a near-halt. So we have spending left high and dry at Celtic Tiger era levels but tax revenue has taken an immediate hit. A lot has been written about the causes and the blame, but the fact is, we’re left with a mismatch, a deficit and we need to eliminate that. Lots of other countries have been hit with similar mismatches in the past and we can be thankful we didn’t have a war or a natural disaster; we had a fiscal shock and it might have been worse. As for sorting out our deficit, we hope to have economic growth over the next four years, during which time, the plan is to eliminate the deficit. This economic growth will take some of the strain because if more money is being generated in the economy, we can keep the same tax rates but tax revenues will increase. Also there is, on some views, likely to be more emigration which might reduce the strain on the dole queues. But we should be in no doubt, 13% compound economic growth between now and 2015 and some emigration will not solve our deficit. And most of the adjustment will come from increased taxes and reduced expenditure on welfare and the public sector.
The projected primary deficit for the five years 2011-2015 is in the order of €45bn which, considering we need borrow to fund these deficits, if you add interest costs of 5.8% for 7.5 years gives you a total cost of €65bn.
So when we encounter a new tax or a cut to services, it should be remembered that a portion of that pain is attributable to reducing the deficit. But this is where the switch-and-bait comes in. The routine message at a political level at present is that the cuts are ENTIRELY to deal with the deficit. Yet when it comes to the use of the money cut from services or generated from new taxes, that money goes to reducing the deficit AND paying for the banking crisis.
How do you apportion between cutting the deficit and repaying bondholders? That’s a very difficult calculation. This was the bondholder position in Irish banks in April 2011, according to the Central Bank ofIreland(on the left) and by this blog based on information from Bloomberg (on the right)
There is a discrepancy as noted above between the CBI and Bloomberg, it seems, and the CBI has not meaningfully responded to a request to clarify the discrepancy between the two sets of figures. But put that to one side, and accepting the CBI’s numbers, €21bn of senior bonds are guaranteed, €20bn are unguaranteed but secured by collateral at the banks and €16bn are unguaranteed and unsecured. There was also €7bn of subordinated bondholders who are largely now being burnt to the tune of 60-90%. The focus so far has been on unguaranteed unsecured senior bondholders at Anglo and INBS which total just €3.5bn. Add in lending costs to Ireland of 5.8% for an average term of 7.5 years then the total cost would be €5bn. So €5bn compared to the €65bn cost of the deficit is plainly a small proportion.
If all €16bn of senior unguaranteed bondholders were 100% discounted then the saving, including interest costs on borrowing to repay the bondholders, would be €23bn, one third of the deficit cost. There are arguments around the unguaranteed senior bondholders and whether or not the guarantee can be revoked. If it were the case that the guarantee could be revoked, then the maximum saving would rise to €52bn. There are also arguments about how secure the “secured senior bondholders” are, especially after the passing into law of the Credit Institutions (Stabilisation) Act which allows the state take draconian action against banks in receipt of state funding. Add these into the pot and the total rises to €82bn.
So you could argue that most of the cuts and austerity, will not be to eliminate the deficit but will be to repay bondholders. But with smaller savings from imposing haircuts on subcategories of bondholders, the proportions will tip more towards the deficit being the main reason for adjustments.
Watch out also for the reverse bait-and-switch by those who say ALL of the austerity is to repay bondholders. It’s not. The truth is that we presently plan to cut the deficit AND repay bondholders.
(2) The European Central Bank, based in Frankfurt, has been portrayed as some pantomime villain in the bondholder story. It seems to be the case that the main obstacle to imposing haircuts on senior bondholders is the ECB, whose position appears to be that Ireland must not impose haircuts and if it does, the cheap funding provided at present on a massive scale to Irish banks, which wouldn’t be able to source the funding elsewhere, might be withdrawn. Truth be told however, neither the ECB or its president, Jean-Claude Trichet are the embodiments of evil and they adopt their stance for logical reasons. In the past few days I have asked the ECB to explain its position on Ireland’s expressed wish to impose haircuts on senior bondholders, and the best that has been provided in response has been a series of historical statements – here and here and here and here – from the ECB which merely refer to the need to follow the plan. And sadly there is no real justification for the position but here’s my view of the reasons
(a) Contagion. We hear that term a lot, and it’s almost become the economic equivalent of telling a persistently curious child “that’s so why”. It’s supposed to end debate. But what does “contagion” mean? It might mean that a strong French bank has a €100m bond due to it from Anglo. And if Anglo didn’t pay that €100m, then that strong French bank would suffer a loss. If it was indeed strong, then that might be the end of the matter because it might be able to absorb the loss. But what if it was a weak Spanish bank that held the €100m bond? Might the loss make that bank insolvent, and if so might that bank need default on its bonds. Irregardless of whether it is a strong French bank or a weak Spanish bank, it is still €100m of loss, it’s not growing to €110m. So Ireland might reasonably ask why the €100m debt is not shared between the Irish bank and the strong French bank and the weak Spanish bank. After all, France’s GNP is 14 times that ofIrelandso if state assistance is required inFrance, it will be proportionately less of a burden than inIreland.
(b) Higher funding costs for European banks. The ECB is concerned about the well-being of 330m citizens, including the 4.6m inIreland. There appears to be a concern that if Ireland does impose haircuts on senior bondholders then lenders to all EuroZone banks will demand higher rates of interest to compensate them for the risk that banks will, like Ireland proposes, impose haircuts. This concern needs more research but it does have a ring of credibility to it. On the other hand, Denmark has now twice imposed losses on senior bondholders, though of courseDenmarkis outside the EuroZone. Is there any evidence of an elevation in the interest rates demanded by senior bondholders when buying new bonds in Danish banks?
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I must correct you here MWL by adding an important addendum.
A substantial portion of the cuts are also to pay the handsome salaries and pensions of those in–or who have recently left–the public sector and the Irish banks. The current cost of Irish public sector pensions is I believe over €2 billion, and that is before you start factoring in the pensions, free cars, and bonuses for bank employees, not to mention the jobs on state boards for retirees of all sorts. The judges probably factor in here somewhere too.
So in total, the cuts are to reduced the deficit AND pay for the banks AND to keep the generation that wrecked the country in the style to which it has become accustomed. This is a very important addition which should not be dismissed.
@OMF, pensions for the public sector are part of the cost of running the country and are included in the calculation of the deficit.
Good post. I’ve been frustrated by the lack of engagement with the ECB’s line on contagion and here there’s an interesting start. Bear in mind that much of the ECB’s assets are in senior bonds so a re-evaluation of these holdings, even slightly, might lead to a large loss in its own position (and therefore its ability to act). Moreover, and as you state, other banks’ solvency may then be in doubt if their own holdings of senior bonds dropped in value. Some of these banks may well indeed be Irish. Finally, their argument is that rating agencies have proven to be inflexible and could well declare further events of default (though what difference a speculative grade bank and bank in default will depend on the particulars of documentation that I do not have).
All these reasons may be invalid but it’s probably worth knowing what they are.
Surprised not to see Denmark crop up more often in policy debates in Ireland.
Clearly, when they told bondholders to take a flying jump, their society collapsed and tanks started to roll through the streets. Crazy Danes!
Maybe a Facebook page should be opened to follow the rout in Irish Government bonds. The two year just blew through 23% today. I find it beyond ludicrous that the unsecured Irish bank bond holders are being paid out at full value and these very banks passed the “stress test” with flying colors when the actual country backing all this crap is rated junk and approaching the magic 30% bond yield. At today’s rate, should be there by next Friday.
@Jake Watts:
+1
It must be great fun.
Imagine a big merchant bank advising clients to sell peripheral bonds, then getting their own hedge funds to load up on them at fantastic yields. Then putting an almighty squeeze on the peripheral governments to pay up. Get the ECB to do camp commandant. Sarkozy to ride shotgun for them. Even get Geithner to lend a hand.
It is shame that none of the peripherals countries (Iceland excluded) has the guts to face down this blackmail and extortion.
David burke
My first post on this very good and hard hitting blog. As long as JTO and John McHale don,t appear, we are all safe from spin. Anyway, the innocence of setting up a face book account of the bondholders is to me a pretty sad macro picture of our society. Why are,nt 20,000 individuals camped out side Leinster house demanding that bondholders be burned. I believe its all down to individualism, which is a disease of Neo-libealism. In the long run the only good to come out of this phase of our history is that greed is not good and society does count for something. If we can get our health and education systems in order we should be ok in the long run.
@David, you’re welcome. And it’s a regret to take extreme issue with your opening comment “As long as JTO and John McHale don,t appear, we are all safe from spin.” As this blog, like irisheconomy.ie allows anonymous, unverified identity commenting, I couldn’t tell you if JTO (a regular commenter on irisheconomy.ie) and Professor John McHale of NUI Galway, and now also chair of the newly established fiscal council, comment under pseudonyms. But if you have been following this blog for any period of time, you’ll know that it offers a forum for the exchange of views, within the bounds of the commenting guidelines. Our present economic circumstances are not easily portrayed in black and white and there is a range of assessments of our present position and our propects. Long may a free exchange continue by those engaged enough to find out what’s going on at present in our country.
sorry, neo-liberalism
BoI seniors can’t be burnt while the bank is still functioning and is listed and contains a substantial quantity of equally ranking Irish retail deposits. Last attempt at burning even BoI subbies didn’t work.
@Kirsten, BoI is probably the most problematic bank from the point of view of burden-sharing (burning senior or junior bondholders) because it is apparently the healthiest of the state-guaranteed banks. But even with BoI, the Credit Institutions (Stabilisation) Act provides very wide powers to move assets around. Truth be told, Bank of Ireland is still dependent on non-standard liquidity funding from the ECB and possibly ELA from the Central Bank of Ireland, all more or less guaranteed by the State.And without such funding BoI would be illiquid meaning it wouldn’t have the cash to pay its operating expenses and for the loss of deposits, and it would shortly become insolvent because it would need fire sale assets.
Against that, and with the CI(S) linked below, I think BoI could be arranged in such a way as to burn all bondholders.
Click to access a3610.pdf
My reading of the CI(S) is that Part 4 allows for burning of subbies where the state believes the bank is insolvent but for state aid, whereas part 5 allows for asset transfer directions from the state such as the Anglo transfer of deposits to AIB. I don’t see a section that allows the state to direct or empower a bank to burn seniors. To burn seniors without touching depositors or shareholders would appear to retrospectively alter existing contractual arrangements. I may be wrong.
The Danish example of senior burning applies to two non-systemic banks that were liquidated.Each of these banks held around €2bn in assets at time of death. Compare to AIB and BoI with €200bn a piece. So, I don’t think it’s helpful to point at the Danish as an example of how easy it is to burn seniors in a large systemic bank that you hope to keep alive. Danish electors have made smarter choices in their fiscal policies than the Irish and so retain more independence in their choice of financial strategies.
ECB liquidity funding can be looked at as a form of European burden sharing of Irish bank losses. Even a very healthy Irish bank in a stable economy could surely not obtain wholesale funding below 4%, so €100bn @ 1.5% is a saving of €2.5bn annually on bank costs.
At 10c a share, even allowing for future dilution through recaps, BoI is starting to look attractive. The forced upfront NAMA writedowns have led investors to believe that there is no end of rubbish in the BoI loan closet. But there is an end for everything and BoI’s asset sheet is around half the size it was. The only real pressure on the bank now is coming from the unfair capital ratio requirements (compared to other euro countries).
@Kirsten
Oh yes they can be burned. Or at least we can avoid bathing them in milk and honey. Very simple.
The following condition to be applied to all State funds already injected or to be injected in whatever form.
They form a subset of capital to be used exclusively to top up depositor losses only in the event of bank failure. Therefore bondholders of any kind do not benefit from the largesse of the State capital contributions. If there is no bank failure the capital stays intact.
Where there is a will, there is a way.
It is interesting to note that the legal concerns and niceties never seem to dwell on the legality of putting taxpayers moeny into banks to bail out bondholders.
Does the general taxpayer/citizen have property rights at all or are property rights the exclusive preserve of the big boys?
As I hope you know, the executive of government is empowered by its electoral mandate to spend money as it sees fit within the laws passed by the elected parliament. There is no law against the state buying shares in a bank or lending money to a bank.
There has been no discernible change in banking policy from the previous government to the current government with its recent popular mandate. Either the policy is wrong and the public representatives past and present are evil or stupid, or the policy is and was the best available option.
The idea that the common citizen is being thwarted by the politicians is a little silly when you consider who chooses these politicians.
like David Burke i have also been following this site and i have to say NWL you are doing a great service to this country with your objective veiw 0
it seems to me that the irish people are between a rock and a hard place with vested interests on either side that are quiet happy to see the status que of continue ie kicking the can down the road to put off the tough decisions in the form of the croke park agreement protecting the public sector to the adjustment that should have happened in 2009 and the ECB veto on burden sharing that seems that ‘alice in wonderland was real “protecting the banking sector at the expense of the of the soverigne just don`t make sense !
but who said that smart people make the call so that the likes of Merkel Sarkosy and Trighet can enjoy their soon to be retirement
ps, forgot to mention a one Mr Cowan
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3 points on the Danish banks
1 – Danish banks are have higher funding costs as a result of burning bonds. Look at CDS spreads for Danske – moved from 65bps at the end of last year to 150bps currently. Part of that is broader euro crisis, but the bulk is concern over the local regime.
2 – In both cases depositors over the amount of the local deposit insurance scheme shared the hit with bondholders.
3 – Recoveries to bondholders were ~ 60c for one of the banks (Amagerbanken). Applying similiar haircut to the Irish banks results in substantially lower savings
[…] And since March 2011, the villagers have also held a special march in Thurles, and then in June 2011, there was an extraordinary week-long journey on foot or bicycle from Ballyhea to Leinster House to hand in a petition. In recent weeks, its march has been replicated in Charleville. This community is not going “gentle into that good night”. And this week, the community in the person of local resident, Diarmuid O’Flynn, has launched a Facebook page to keep track of when we repay bondholders and how much. It also encourages discussion on what these repayments might alternatively be used for. There are plans to email the IMF whenever a bond is repaid, and ask why the IMF is standing idly by and abandoning its principles of burden-sharing and making a special case of forcingIreland to repay debt that many say is unsustainable. The IMF has only just managed to shrug off an image of savage interventions in developing countries where adjustments have been accompanied by wide-spread societal damage. The IMF will be reminded of the week-in, week-out damage being wrought on this country by its inaction. And the European Commissioner for Economic and Monetary Affairs, Olli Rehn, will be routinely asked why he supports a programme which drives Ireland further and further away from the 60% debt:GDP cap enshrined in the Stability and Growth Pact and which our Finnish friend was supposed to police alongside the 3% deficit:GDP cap. Indeed the ECB itself will be a recipient of regular communication so that it too understands the disproportionate damage being wrought on this nation, by its adopted position on protecting bondholders. And of course the Facebook page may become a stick to poke our own politicians. (link to full article) […]
Many thanks for this post NNW.
Reading through all the comments above, all the reasoning left, right and centre as to why/why not burn the bondholders, can’t help referring back in my own mind to the root reason for this protest – the fact the bondholders escape not just scot free from their failed investment, not just with all their original capital, but with all their profits.
‘Your investment may fall as well as rise’ – what of that principle?
This was a private arrangement freely entered into by both parties, the borrower and the lender, both knowing the consequences should it fail, which it did – what of that?
The last decade was a truly catastrophic period in Irish history; we, the Irish people, are paying dearly for our own mistakes, and as a nation we made plenty – why are we also paying for the mistakes of the bondholders? Why do they pay no price for their own mistakes? What of that?
What’s right, and what is wrong? Surely, as individuals and as a nation, we must have values? And if we have, then in this dilemma, to burn or not to burn, the answer is readymade. We then face the future, whatever it may be, but it will be a future based on the right decision made for the right reasons.
Perhaps because the other principal – that bondholders gets to take control of the asset if the owner of such asset refuses to pay back the debt.
And the ambiguity surrounding where deposit holders rank in such an event.
If a normal company was insolvent, the the directors would stop paying any creditor (block ATM withdrawals) and negotiate with all its creditors.
Perhaps when that principle is invoked we then can have all principles. But picking and choosing doesn’t work!
“As for sorting out our deficit, we hope to have economic growth over the next four years, during which time, the plan is to eliminate the deficit. This economic growth will take some of the strain because if more money is being generated in the economy, we can keep the same tax rates but tax revenues will increase.”
“Also there is, on some views, likely to be more emigration which might reduce the strain on the dole queues. But we should be in no doubt, 13% compound economic growth between now and 2015 and some emigration will not solve our deficit.”
Forgive me for being pessimistic but I have no reason to support the above optimism!
As a general rule, growth as we know it requires cheap energy, which is in decline. We can do more with less but there is a limit. And 13%? Wha’? I’d be surprised if it reached 2%.
@David, there’s a range of views on our prospects for growth illustrated in the forecasts for GDP growth in the post above.
The 13% GDP growth is compound growth in the next 4.5 years, averaging 2.5% per annum, So GDP of 100 in 2010 would be 102.5 in 2011 and 105.1 and 113 in 2015.
Thanks nwl. As you probably guessed, I’m not a great fan of economic growth. For a lighthearted look containing serious implications, have a quick read here: http://www.theoildrum.com/node/8155 – it’s quite entertaining.
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