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When are bondholders in Irish banks due to be re-paid?

June 3, 2011 by namawinelake

Last Friday, a week ago, Anglo Irish Bank paid €200m to unsecured unguaranteed senior bondholders (XS0366099231, issued 27th May, 2008), redeeming their bonds at par, that is, without imposing any haircut. These bonds had been trading at 87c in the euro last December, 2010 according to the Irish Independent which would mean that an investor who bought those bonds then would see a return of 13c on a 87c investment in six months, which equates to an annual return of 29.9%.

Anglo is in receipt of €29.3bn of public funds. Anglo sold all its deposits to AIB in February 2011. The bank continues to claim on its website that “the Bank continues to provide business lending, treasury and private banking services to our range of customers across all our locations. Anglo Irish Bank remains committed to delivering a quality service to all of its customers” In truth new lending is understood to be minimal and is mostly aimed at maximizing the recoverability of existing loans. Branches are being closed and the latest is that Anglo will be merged with that other certified zombie, Irish Nationwide Building Society by the end of this year. The merged entity will manage the run-off of legacy non-NAMA loans. “Run-off” means getting the best deal on these loans, either by getting some repayment or selling the loans to others or negotiating a settlement with the borrower including debt forgiveness and potentially advancing new money to maximise the value of a lender’s assets.

Although the IMF advocated a haircut for bondholders last November 2010, and naturally it was the position of the Irish government and reputedly the Central Bank of Ireland, that private sector bondholders would share in the cost of the bailout, these views were over-ridden by the EU and particularly the ECB and also, reportedly, by the US Treasury Secretary, Timothy Geithner.

The Central Bank of Ireland published in March 2011 on a “once-off” basis the bondholdings in the six state-guaranteed financial institutions. This is its (corrected) summary.

A common question asked is when these bonds actually mature. The question is sometimes predicated on the notion that Irelandmight change its stance so it is important to know when the bonds fall due. Here is the precise bondholder position in each of the six state-guaranteed (or as the Central Bank of Irelandwould call them “covered institutions”). The information is firstly sorted by bank, then by maturity date. It should be said that this list remains a work in progress and there seems to be some discrepancy in some instances between the totals here and the totals published by the Central Bank.

In summary, there’s some €9bn of difference between the figures produced by the CBI in March 2011 and this present analysis. Work is continuing to identify the discrepancy and it’s too soon to claim another “Der Spiegel” moment. In terms of the analysis on here, some €7bn of the €73bn falls due in 2011, €20bn in 2012, €17bn in 2013 and €29bn in 2014 onwards. It should be said that a small number of bonds don’t have identifiable maturity dates and these have been grouped in the 2014- category. Here’s the summary with the CBI figures on the left and the NAMAwinelake analysis on the right.

And here’s the detail

Allied Irish Banks (AIB)

Anglo Irish Bank (Anglo)

Bank of Ireland

Educational Building Society (EBS)

Irish Life and Permanent

Irish Nationwide Building Society (INBS)

Notes:

(1) Some bonds are denominated in foreign currencies. The exchange rates and the meanings of the three character short form foreign currency can be found here at yahoo finance. So type in “MXN” on yahoo finance and that will display “Mexican Peso”. The following exchange rates were used.

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  1. on June 3, 2011 at 2:50 pm Rob S

    How long did that take you??

    Impressive work.


    • on June 3, 2011 at 3:36 pm namawinelake

      @Rob S, thanks, it took far less time than it took to run 150 miles and my joints are all still functioning, which might be more than can be said for Diarmuid O’Flynn who concluded his national run today at Leinster House, in protest at the commitment to repay all senior bondholders. They’ll be back in Ballyhea this Sunday again showing that they will not, to quote Dylan Thomas “go gentle into that good night” Their Facebook page is here

      http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ballyhea-bondholder-bailout-protest/162154057174719

      As for the post above, it should be emphasised that it is still being checked but the bones of it are accurate.


  2. on June 3, 2011 at 3:59 pm John Kennedy

    Incredible work.


  3. on June 3, 2011 at 9:31 pm Diarmuid O'Flynn

    Great post, very detailed, but can I push the boat out a little, and ask if it’s possible to establish to whom those bonds are owed?


    • on June 3, 2011 at 9:53 pm namawinelake

      @Diarmuid, great to see your typing faculties have survived the week – well done to you, looking forward to your report from today.

      “to whom are the bonds owed”? Ask Senator David Norris who began naming them in the Seanad using his privilege until he was shut up

      http://www.independent.ie/national-news/norris-silenced-after-revealing-names-of-bondholders-2448840.html

      or take a look at Guido Fawkes here for a partial list.

      http://order-order.com/2010/10/15/anglo-irish-bondholders-should-take-the-lossesis-the-ecb-forcing-ireland-to-protect-german-investments/

      The short answer is the information is not publicly available.


      • on June 7, 2011 at 6:40 pm Diarmuid O'Flynn

        Am nailed to the bed at the moment, three days I’m told, which is very literally a pain in the ass. Gives me a chance to catch up, however, on the various posts. Am going to use a few stats from above in a post on my own blog, with your own warning included (work-in-progress), if that’s ok? Going to start a campaign now also on getting a referendum immediately.


      • on June 7, 2011 at 6:59 pm namawinelake

        Work away Diarmuid, there will be a feature post tomorrow on the current subordinated bondholder burnings which might be of interest to you also. If anyone wants a great read, I recommend you take a look at Diarmuid’s dispatches from last week as he wended his way from Ballyhea to Leinster House with the support of many. A fine piece of writing and you’ll understand why he is now confined to bed for three days.

        http://thechatteringmagpie14.blogspot.com/


    • on June 6, 2011 at 10:46 am namawinelake

      @Diarmuid, in your dispatches detailing the 150 mile journey from Ballyhea to Dublin, you said that you had been accosted by members of the public claiming that burning senior bondholders would result in losses at Irish credit unions. If you haven’t see it, the Sunday Business Post yesterday carried a story of credit unions about to suffer a €20m loss on the proposed burning of subordinated bondholders at IL&P.

      http://www.sbpost.ie/news/ireland/credit-union-fury-over-20m-loss-on-irish-life–permanent-bond-56741.html


  4. on June 4, 2011 at 12:56 am Rob

    Hey,

    Great work. Just one thing, I think a number of the bonds are duplicated in your tables, it looks like if a bond received an ISIN on both a US and Irish exchange it could be double counted (for example the BOI $1m issued on 2/03/2010 or the IL&P $1.75bn issued on 14/01/2010). Also, another source you could use would be the NTMA website – any bonds issued under the ELG govt scheme have to be listed there.

    Thanks for the blog, great stuff.


    • on June 4, 2011 at 8:31 am namawinelake

      @Rob, thanks for pointing that out and also suggesting the NTMA as a further source to check certain bond details. This is a work in progress and will be modified in the days to come though the bones of it are accurate. Comments and suggestions to improve the accuracy of the details are positively welcomed.


  5. on June 4, 2011 at 2:11 am who_shot_the_tiger

    @NWL: Fantastic work! Is it possible to establish the current market discount on these bonds?


    • on June 4, 2011 at 8:48 am namawinelake

      @WSTT, the ASK PRICE last Monday compared to the par value was approximately

      AIB – 82c in euro
      Anglo – 84c in euro
      BoI – 88c in euro
      EBS – 81c in euro
      ILP – 81c in euro
      INBS – 71c in euro

      You would need to be careful with the above because the ASK PRICE would presumably be affected by the coupon rate as well as the probability of repayment and also about 1/10th of the extant values of the bonds didn’t have ASK PRICEs (this 1/10th was excluded in calculating the above, that is the above is the discount on bonds which had ASK PRICEs)


  6. on June 4, 2011 at 11:23 am Joseph Ryan

    Excellent work. Though I find it hard to read the list of bonds.

    So apart from 2011, while the country waits to find out that this government has less moxy than the last one, the deal is this:

    Ireland will pay approx €60 billion for 2102/2103/2014 to various creditors in the banks. The taxpayer meantime have been stung for almost exactly that amount.

    It is time to recalculate, the interest rate on the ECB/EU loan to include the above €60 billion repayment.

    ” It is acknowledged by all that a large part of the €46.3 billion already invested by the State in the banks will not be recovered…..” M Noonan

    “The €20 billion contribution of the State to the €24 billion recapitalisation will bring the State’s support to the banks up to €66 billion.”- S Coffey

    Both quotes taken from S Coffey blog site (without permission!!)

    http://economic-incentives.blogspot.com/

    It is an absolute insanity to continue with this policy of paying these bondholders.

    There is a solution.

    1. Burn the bondholders inclding the prom note.
    2. Sell the un-recapitalised AIB and BOI to Barclays or some large institution for £1stg., with a committment to use the €20 billion to cover future losses if any.
    3. Tell the ECB to get stuffed.
    4. Prepare plan to exit EZ, devalue 25% and link to Stg.
    5. Collapse “like a circus tent” the higher levels of govt pay etc.
    6. Stop whimpering and stand up for the people of the country. Right now our leaders are displaying all the parental pride of cuckoos. They have abandoned the youth of the country.

    The present course is insanity.


  7. on June 4, 2011 at 11:45 am Joseph Ryan

    Erratum

    My last post above was made in fit of rage at the sheer insanity of what is being done to this country.

    Of course one would have to hold on to banks in order to get the benefit of burning these bondholders.
    But that is what should be done.
    Even if it means closing the banks, leaving the liabilities in the old banks and forming new ones.

    After all it is happening every day in the corporate world.
    TD’s have even been known to conduct such operations.!


    • on June 4, 2011 at 12:19 pm Brian Flanagan

      @JR

      I prefer your angry posts.


      • on June 7, 2011 at 6:37 pm Diarmuid O'Flynn

        So do I – we don’t have enough anger, that’s our problem.


  8. on June 4, 2011 at 4:05 pm sf ca writer

    @ JR
    that’s the spirit.
    I’m learning slowly, as I get older, just how conservative Ireland is. Your passion might be up against apathy and that’s a painful battle.


  9. on June 5, 2011 at 4:49 pm The Irish Economy » Blog Archive » Anglo Bondholders to be Repaid in Full

    […] is a good time to point people in the direction of NAMAWineLake’s very useful post from Friday detailing all the outstanding bonds of the Irish banks by maturity. November 2 promises […]


  10. on June 6, 2011 at 2:47 pm sf ca writer

    Hi NWL
    As ever the blog goes from strength to strength and the varied background of posters makes it even better.

    Regarding your June 6 comment above, it is not just a question of “will burning bondholders affect Irish credit unions/pensions etc…?”
    it’s a question of why should Irish credit unions/pensions etc. be exempt when school kids, sick people, disadvantaged children and others lose out.
    Burning bondholders is not just a case of making some distant billionaire suffer, although that would be nice, most people realize burning bondholders will have consequences right on your own doorstep.

    But what of a society where protecting credit unions is an emotional subject yet taking away caregivers and closing hospital beds is a given?

    He with the most lawyers wins, perhaps.


  11. on June 6, 2011 at 11:23 pm Georg R. Baumann

    Burning Bondholders is simply not possible under the EPP dominated neoliberal EU dictate for a very simple reason. They are committed to lowering the CO2 footprint.

    NWL, I just found the time to go through it, and it really ruined my evening.

    ….speechless!


  12. on June 6, 2011 at 11:29 pm Georg R. Baumann

    WEDNESDAY 01 Dec 10

    Bank bailout is Ireland’s economic Iraq – Hayes

    Speech by Fine Gael Public Expenditure Spokesman Brian Hayes TD during the Bank Bailout Debate in Dáil Éireann


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    […] which makes it required reading for anyone serious about the Irish situation   The table below is taken from […]


  14. on July 29, 2011 at 1:51 pm Irish Left Review · Joining the dots - bondholders & public spending cuts

    […] http://bondwatchireland.blogspot.com/ and https://namawinelake.wordpress.com/ for a list of maturing […]


  15. on January 5, 2012 at 2:31 pm Irish Left Review · 2012 - The Year of Anglo

    […] But that is only the beginning.  Here is the schedule of repayments for Anglo and Irish Nationwide creditors in 2012, courtesy of Nama Wine Lake. […]


  16. on January 6, 2012 at 2:53 pm Anglo – Time to Get Mad | Demand a referendum on the EU-IMF deal

    […] In 2012, Anglo/Irish Nationwide will be paying back €6.3 billion to its creditors – of which €2.6 billion is unsecured. Here is the schedule of repayments for Anglo and Irish Nationwide creditors in 2012, courtesy of Nama Wine Lake. […]


  17. on January 28, 2013 at 2:13 pm Clarification of facts stated on This Week in Politics, in response to Minister Varadkar | Paul Murphy MEP

    […] €17.4 billion in bond payments in 2013. The details of these bond payments are available here (https://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2011/06/03/when-are-bondholders-in-irish-banks-due-to-be-paid/). The banks have been bailed out with €64 billion of taxpayers’ funds in order to pay these […]


  18. on January 29, 2013 at 5:59 pm Irish Left Review | The Truth about the Deficit

    […] to pay €17.4 billion in bond payments in 2013. The details of these bond payments are available here. The banks have been bailed out with €64 billion of taxpayers’ funds in order to pay these […]


  19. on March 7, 2013 at 9:29 pm Irish Left Review | Action Plan 2013 – ‘The Gathering’ Writ Large

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