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Permanent TSB/ESRI House Price Index for Quarter 4 shows the decline is continuing at an increasing rate nationally though moderating in Dublin

January 18, 2011 by namawinelake

Today sees the publication of the fourth Permanent TSB/ESRI QUARTERLY House Price Index. The index for Quarter Four (Q4) of 2010 tells us that the price of residential property has fallen nationally by 3.5% during the quarter. An average property now costs €191,776 nationally compared with €198,689 at the end of September 2010. In my view you should treat the PTSB/ESRI series with much caution as PTSB has less than 5% of the mortgage market, cash sales are ignored and the transaction level is unknown but believed to be shallow. I must also admit to being curious about the claim that prices nationally fell 3.5% but in the two component regions, prices fell by 0.6% in Dublin and 2.9% outside Dublin.

In % terms the indication is that the pace of price falls is picking up outside Dublin but within Dublin itself prices fell by the lowest % since the bubble burst and the decline started in the capital in April 2007.

The National House Price index stood at 85.2 at the end of December 2010 with the average cost of a home being €191,776 (compared with €198,689 at the end of Q3, 2010). The last time it was at this level was in April, 2002.

The Dublin House Price index stood at 78.6 at the end of December 2010 with the average cost of a home in the capital being €237,480 (compared with €238,986 at the end of Q3, 2010). The last time it was at this level was in March, 2002.

The Outside Dublin House Price index stood at 91.3 at the end of December 2010 with the average cost of a home being €174,570 (compared with €179,721 at the end of Q3, 2010). The last time it was at this level was in August, 2002.

So the key questions : are prices still falling? We don’t know the breakdown of the quarterly fall by month but it is certainly the case that prices have continued to fall on a quarterly basis since September 2010 and the rate of fall between Jul-Sep 2010 (quarter) was 1.3% compared with a fall between Oct-Dec 2010 (quarter) of 3.5%, so the pace of falls is picking up again though the headline will probably be that Dublin is stabilising.

How far off the peak are we? The national peak according to ESRI was in January/February 2007 when the index for both months stood at 139.5. Today’s figure of 85.2 for December 2010 indicates that prices have dropped by 38.9% from the peak. In Dublin, prices are 44.9% off the peak while Outside Dublin prices are 34.9% off the peak.

How much further will prices drop? Who knows, but here are the latest predictions and projections for residential property in the State – the spreadsheet with the sources for the data is here.

What does the index mean for NAMA? NAMA has chosen a valuation date of 30th November 2009 to value the Current Market Value of property. The NAMA Long-term Economic Value Regulations state that evidence produced after 10th January 2010 by the ESRI is not to be considered when evaluating future conditions in which the long term value of the property will be calculated. The latest figures show residential property has fallen by 14.1% from 30th November 2009 to 31st December, 2010. The PTSB property price series is the source for the Irish residential data in the key property market data at the top of this page. The NWL index is now at 893 which means that NAMA needs to see a blended increase of 12.0% in property prices across its portfolio to break even at a gross profit level (taking into account the fact that subordinated bonds will not need be honoured if NAMA makes a loss).

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  1. on January 19, 2011 at 7:47 pm Rob S

    What is the issue with no other bank taking part?

    i.e. an AIB/ESRI Price Index? Afraid to admit the extent they are falling?

    Isn’t there another residential price index based on sale prices? Daft and myhome.ie were released together (both asking I think). Was it Sherry Fitzgerald?


    • on January 19, 2011 at 8:03 pm namawinelake

      Hi Rob, here’s a link to the latest three asking price series (and that includes Sherry Fitzgerald) – https://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2011/01/05/house-prices-in-2011-%E2%80%93-the-predictions/

      The DoEHLG produce statistics six months after the event based on ALL mortgage transactions BUT it’s not hedonic (ie if there were only two sales in a reference period and one was a studio in Ballyfermot at €60k and one on Shrewsbury Road at €57m then the DoEHLG would report an average sale price of €28.530m) AND DoEHLG exclude cash sales.

      Minister of Justice, Equality and Law Reform Alan Ahern has failed to deliver the legislation to give effect to the House Price Database (HPD).

      The position on here is that a HPD would aid price discovery, bring forward the bottom and then aid a sensible recovery. You can find the latest on the HPD here. https://namawinelake.wordpress.com/about/house-price-database/


  2. on January 19, 2011 at 9:21 pm Rob S

    Would this require full disclosure from every retail bank operating in Ireland?

    I could have sworn one of the three indexs released a couple of weeks ago was sale prices rather than asking but obviously not.

    Whilst a national index would useful – surely the inclusion of the big two (and maybe EBS) would be an excellent stop gap?

    What prevents this from happening (especially now that we own two of those three banks and will possbily own the third soon).


  3. on February 2, 2011 at 10:49 am Rob S

    The Indo`s front page today described PTSB as the state`s largest home loan lender.

    Do they mean in terms of issuing new mortgages or are they wrong or what?


    • on February 2, 2011 at 11:26 am namawinelake

      Hi Rob, you mean this?

      “THE State’s largest home-loan lender is preparing to raise its mortgage rate by a full 1pc in a move that is set to shock homeowners.”
      http://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/property-mortgages/mortgage-rates-to-rise-1pc-2520922.html

      PTSB has less than 4% of new lending by € value (source ILP H2, 2010 accounts and IBF statistics) but has in excess of 80,000 mortgage holders (see Indie article and that number presumably excludes tracker and fixed) out of a total of 792,000 in the State so I’d guess that the “largest” claim relates to outstanding balances. And although I don’t have the source to hand I am sure that PTSB used have a far larger share of the new mortgage market (20%+ from recollection).


  4. on May 4, 2011 at 7:48 am UK House Prices increase 0.5% month on month in April 2011 (decrease of 0.2% seasonally adjusted) « NAMA Wine Lake

    […] being GBP £165,609 (or €183,121  at GBP 1 = EUR 1.1115) is 4.5% below the €191,776 which the Permanent TSB/ESRI said was the average nationally here at the end of December 2010 (we are still waiting for Q1, […]



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