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The IMF/EU bailout deal – “This way to the gas, ladies and gentlemen”

December 2, 2010 by namawinelake

There’s a book by a then young Polish man, Tadeusz Borowski, which deals with his own real-life experiences during the Second World War and in particular his detention in the Auschwitz camp in southern Poland where millions were gassed to death in chambers built to resemble a showering facility. Tadeusz was a worker in the camp and even though denied his freedom, his conditions were better than many because he wasn’t one of the groups targeted for murder by the Nazis. He was either a teenager or in his early 20s during this period and his story is brutally blunt and without the frame of reference or restraint that an older person would bring – it’s well worth reading. There is one episode I recall in which Tadeusz is playing soccer in the camp when a trainload of new arrivals comes in, some 3,000 men, women and children are led from the train towards the gas chambers. Unlike the popularised images of brutal guards using rifle butts and alsations snarling, the whole process is quite civilised. There is no rush as the 3,000 make their way past the makeshift soccer pitch towards the chambers. One middle-aged man, a professional and dignified man, drops his bundle and apologises profusely to the Nazi officer for the kerfuffle, no problem says the officer acknowledging the man and indeed waits patiently as the man gathers up his belongings and he tips his cap in a kindly way. Tadeusz has a throw-in of the ball and remarks to himself that between that throw-in and full-time, those 3,000 will be murdered. The book is called “This way to the gas, ladies and gentlemen”. And the present IMF/EU bailout deal which is presently before us for agreement instils a more general sense of that same dread that it will lead to our national ruin.

Yesterday the Minister for Finance published a statement and a set of documents which set out in some detail parts of the agreement reached over the past couple of weeks with the IMF and various parties from within the EU. I say “some parts” because it seems a secret side letter dealing with the banks is not being published at present. It seems bizarre that the documents were published only after statements on the agreement in the Oireachtas where Opposition parties were forced to comment on documents unseen. Why weren’t the documents published on Monday last before the matter was dealt with in the Oireachtas? For interest, the PDF consolidated document was created at 1.51pm yesterday. And I am still at a loss as to why the letters at the top of the consolidated document are dated “[] December”.

It was of course predictable that Opposition parties might attack the bailout plan in the Oireachtas on Tuesday. And it must be said that the Taoiseach gave a robust defence in which he pointed out that 5.8% was less than the rates practically available to Ireland at the moment, that the State was a half year away from running out of the cash to fund day-to-day spending (including pensions, social welfare and public sector pay), that Greece was now seeking the same bailout terms as Ireland and that we need a functioning banking system. He even managed to get a few laughs when he responded to Sinn Fein’s speech and remarked at how ironic it was that just as Sinn Fein were coming round to the idea of the State that they still weren’t aware that the State needed to be funded (unfair yet funny nonetheless). But he deployed at least three tactics in dealing with the onslaught from the Opposition which are worth examining:

(a) He didn’t reveal all of the terms of the deal. In particular we don’t know what has been agreed with the ECB from whom Irish banks appear to have €90bn+ of emergency liquidity assistance. He didn’t reveal why the banks need further capitalisation at this stage. He deployed misdirection as far as I was concerned to try to focus the bailout on “Garda and nurses salaries” instead of what it is really about : the banks. The interest rates are just now becoming known though they are not included in the document set published yesterday.

(b) He challenged the Opposition to produce a better alternative to the unpublished agreement. In principle this was a fair tactic because it is very easy to knock a solution to a difficult crisis without proposing an alternative. It would have been fairer though if the Opposition knew what deal was being proposed.

(c) He specifically challenged the notion that has gained mainstream traction in the State supporting “burning bondholders” and default. The Taoiseach claimed that the Opposition regarded these options as “cost-free”. Again a fair challenge but it would have been fairer if he didn’t use the extreme of claiming that supporters of default say it is cost-free, a more accurate assessment is that they said it would cost less than the present course.

So having studied the consolidated document published yesterday, is there an alternative and would default cost less than the proposed agreement? Before starting it needs to be acknowledged that we do not have comprehensive facts on what has been agreed with the IMF/EU and in particular we do not know what is proposed in detail with the banks, including the European Central Bank.

An alternative
Firstly I should say that I don’t see fiscal balancing, getting our revenues to equal our costs (excluding the cost of the bank bailout) to be an epic challenge. Nor do the politicians who believe we can achieve near equilibrium in 4-6 years. And frankly if those fuckers (that’s what our Taoiseach called them in the Oireachtas when he didn’t realise his microphone was on) in our competition quangos got their act together then we could see a re-basing of costs in the economy going forward (so if food, electricity, gas, broadband, phones, mobiles, education, medical and other professional services, clothing, consumer goods for examples) are all cut by 25-50% then frankly the fiscal adjustment would be a lot less challenging than many think – yes, there would be challenges in dealing with legacy debt, particularly mortgage debt, but that is a banking matter and will be dealt with below.

Despite the international perception that the Irish got drunk on a credit binge during the boom years, we did do some things right. We established a €25bn rainy day fund called the National Pension Reserve Fund – most countries fund pensions from current tax but we decided to set up a special pot which frankly can be used for any expenditure (and as we see in the current proposal, it is to be used to bail out the banks). We have also borrowed so that we have a €25bn cash balance on hand in addition to our pension reserve. These are our strategic cash assets and their use/loss should be very carefully considered because they provide us with freedom to manoeuvre today.

Ireland also has many State-owned companies and interests which would have been privatised decades ago in other countries. The State owns a major stake in Aer Lingus. The State owns the electricity and gas generation and most distribution companies. The State owns the public transport companies. These are likely to be disposed of under the current IMF/EU plan.

So our banks apart, Ireland can happily fund its day-to-day spending for the next two years plus, by which time our deficit is planned to be at 5% and on a downward trajectory in world where economies are recovering. You would have to say that if it weren’t for the banks and the debt their rescue will lumber us with, then in 2013-4 there would be no reason why the international markets mightn’t start lending to us again at reasonable rates.

As regards the banks, plainly the State needs a functioning banking system. But go back to first year at secondary school and the basic economics education provided then. The basic functions of our banks are to provide (a) a safe means of storing money (b) credit to households and businesses and (c) a payment system (cheques, credit cards, ATMs). In modern times, the State has always offered a limited guarantee to retail depositors (up to €20,000 before 2008 and of course it is either €100,000 or unlimited today). Against these simplistic facts we have ended up with a State-owned banking sector because our banks at their simplest borrowed colossal sums domestically (depositors and investors/lenders/bondholders) and internationally (investors/lenders/bondholders) and lent sums on projects which have collapsed in value (mostly property). Before the blanket guarantee in 2008, the State might have considered letting the bank fail, liquidating the assets (selling the loan books and banking operations) and paying off the depositors first and then the remaining lenders/investors with whatever was left.

The alternative is to ringfence the banking disaster from the nation whilst ensuring that we have a banking system which provides the most basic of services. That might involve the rehabilitation of the existing State-owned banking sector or the creation of a new State bank. The alternative involves introducing legislation to deal with legacy property and mortgage debt, by writing down some part of the outstanding debt. The alternative is then to repay depositors 100% and divvy up the remainder of the bank amongst the other creditors. Plainly the blanket guarantee legislation that was rushed through the Oireachtas in Autumn 2008 based on grossly inaccurate information needs to be repealed. This entry contains nearly 3,000 words and it would require many times that to detail the alternative but the above are the main headings.

Other alternatives –
(a) The common perception is that much of the debt owed by the State guaranteed banks is to French and German banks. If that is the case (which can presumably be readily verified by the government who own or control all of the banking system, either through investment, guarantee or license regulation) then why must we borrow at 5.7-6.05% for 7.5 years when the Germans can borrow on the bond market today for 10 years at 2.8%? If we as a nation are truly taking a bailout to protect German bondholders then surely the least that can be done is to provide that lending at the same rate that the German state can borrow today?

(b) If Ireland is to accept the debts of our banks on behalf of our partners in the EU, then why can’t those partners make available some emergency development funding to help offset the distress being caused by the cuts to the capital programme. We have a large backlog of construction projects, for example schools, telecommunications and transport. Such development funding which arguably in part rescued Ireland from its 125% debt:GDP in the 1980s would provide a needed stimulus to the economy and indeed make more probable that Ireland could repay the massive debt being foisted upon us today.

(c) The bailout is not immediately required for our day-to-day spending, it is required for the banks, particularly Allied Irish Banks and Bank of Ireland that were subjected to EU stress testing four months ago. Given the risks that attach to Ireland using its cash reserves and NPRF upfront, funding from the IMF and EU should be provided in the first instance and the NPRF deployed after our day-to-day funding runs out in “the middle of next year”. By reversing the order in which the funding is deployed, we protect our strategic reserves and also make it clear that this bailout is for the banks so that they can repay our partners in the EU that lent to us in such a profligate way during the 2000s (Ireland also accepts its share of responsibility as we are paying some €50bn of our citizens’ funds to rescue the banks so that they can repay German, French, British lenders).

Is default cost-free?
That is indeed a loaded question. Akin to the “Have you stopped beating your wife?” question. Nobody has seriously suggested that default would be cost-free. The relevant question is surely whether default costs less than the proposed course of action. How would you start to seriously compare the options

(a) Establish likely actions by our stakeholders. Providers of lending, according to the official line, would withdraw from providing lending to us and they may seek to punish us by blacklisting us even when we return to fiscal equilibrium. At the extreme this would mean that we need to return to fiscal equilibrium sooner rather than later (2-3 years) but is difficult to imagine lenders acting as a cartel and not investing in a fiscally balanced open economy country like Ireland from 2014 onwards. What about the other stakeholders? This gets more complicated and delicate. Apparently it is the ECB and EU that “unanimously” say we can’t default on senior bank debt. Or what? What gun was put to our head? What threats? What entreaties? What about MNCs on which Ireland depends? Well MNCs are already associated with a country that needs an IMF bailout and whose banking system is teetering. It is hard to see them taking a dimmer view of a limited default. There will be other stakeholders but surely it is for the government to set out the anticipated consequences of default.

(b) Compare the effect of the anticipated actions of our stakeholders with their anticipated actions if we pursue the present strategy which is likely to result in default anyway. What sort of Ireland will we have if we pursue the present strategy that will see even the official debt:GDP rate rise to 120%? Will that be a better Ireland than if we default on some bank debt today?

So as one that advocates limited default, I accept that there will be costs and that it will not be a cost-free option. Of course I readily admit I cannot predict all known and unknown consequences, but I feel they should be debated and subject to oversight so that we ensure we pursue the best option.

Perhaps it is the wintry conditions here. Perhaps it is because this crisis is the closest this modern nation has come to war but I leave you with another reference to the Second World War – and again it is from Poland. In 2008, the Polish film director Andszej Wajda brought us “Katyn”, the true story of the murder of 20,000 Polish officers by forces of the Soviet Union. The film is very well made and worth a watch but you might find yourself surprised about five minutes in from the start which deals with the opening days of the Second World War. Our notion is that the war started when the Nazis invaded Poland in September, 1939. About five minutes into the film we see refugees from western Poland fleeing eastwards being met on a bridge by refugees fleeing westwards. You see, the Soviets invaded Poland from the east on 17th September, 1939 ostensibly to protect its flank from the Nazis. But in truth in 1939 the Soviets had signed a non-agression pact with the Nazis, the Molotov-Ribbentrop accord which sealed Poland’s fate. Yet it was only in the 1990s – 15 years ago – that the secret codicil to that agreement was published. The secret side letter set out an agreement as to Soviet and Nazi spheres of influence and implicitly allowed the Soviets to invade and occupy large swathes of eastern Europe, Poland, the Ukraine, the Baltic states, Belarussia, Modova, Transdniestria.

I make this reference for two reasons – firstly, there is a secret (in the sense it has not been published) side letter in this agreement with the IMF and EU parties. It relates to the banks according to the Irish Times today but is confidential. This crisis is about the banks, first and last, yet we are not to see what is likely to be the most significant aspect of the deal. In particular we don’t know how the emergency liquidity assistance to Irish banks (€90bn at the end of October 2010) is to be replaced ; we also don’t know how we will roll over €12bn of debt that matures in 2011 though I suspect it has something to do with the ECB or the banks themselves. If this dubious position continues, then it will not be surprising if we find ourselves in the future on some bridge confronting some bizarre situation hidden from us now. The second reason for this reference is that in the film “Katyn”, it is the Soviets that are represented as the evil party. Neither Russia nor former Soviet states have any major involvement in our present crisis and perhaps the best known Russian in the country, economist Professor Constantin Gurdgiev is acknowledged as a friend to the country for trying to explain the crisis and forewarn the consequences of policy.  Just as the reference to Katyn is not an attack on our Russian friends, the reference at the top of this article is not used to personally attack modern day Germany for its orchestration of the present deals.

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  1. on December 2, 2010 at 2:13 pm Brian Flanagan

    “why must we borrow at 5.7-6.05% for 7.5 years when the Germans can borrow on the bond market today for 10 years at 2.8%?”

    I know you know the reason to this – VBG. The premium represents the high likelihood that the bale out won’t work. In a year’s time, we’ll need a bale out of the baleout but this time sense will prevail and the interest rate will be 0%. Why could this not be done in the first place.

    Apparently, the interest rate is also designed to punish. Hey, IMF/EU/ECB, we didn’t cause the problem, we have already punished ourselves for the sins and treachery of a small number of our citizens and we don’t understand why you seek to compound this leading to lose-lose.

    PS You gave out about the wording of the Nama press release about the CIF report. Very surprised to see a very bad word in the above entry – VBG. Personally, I would use the word much more often but you are very restrained !!


  2. on December 2, 2010 at 2:33 pm Alastair McDermott

    Great post. Is there any indication that our glorious opposition parties will actually challenge the bailout terms post election?

    Enjoy this blog, keep up the good work.


  3. on December 2, 2010 at 3:02 pm donie cassidy's rug

    Godwin’s Law breach


    • on December 2, 2010 at 3:13 pm namawinelake

      Not recognised as constitutional on here!


  4. on December 2, 2010 at 4:03 pm Eric Doyle-Higgins

    Let us firstly ascertain the facts. Excluding the banking contingency of €25B, the EU/ECB/IMF “bailout” offers €42.5B in funding. Commencing with €83B net Exchequer indebtedness at December 2010, by December 2014 the equivalent total will be c.€124B (though our National Pensions Reserve Fund will be no more) and the annual cost of debt service will be c.€6.7B. Assuming 1.75% pa growth in the interim, GNP will total c.€143B in 2014, of which c.€48B will be taken in taxes and since our budget deficit will remain at c.€10B, Exchequer expenditure will remain at its 2010 c.€58B level. Debt:GNP will be 86% (2010 – 62%). Tax:GNP will be 33.6% (2010 – 27%). Debt Service: GNP will be 4.7% (2010 – 3.1%) consuming 14% (2010 – 11.5%) of all taxes. We have no reason to fear such outcomes.

    On the other hand, if GNP growth returns to its historic norm – there is no reason why it must not – then in 2014 GNP will be c.€150B. Ceteris paribus, tax revenue will increase by c.€2.4B, ample to fund the c.€1.4B cost of any necessary drawdown on the infernal banking contingency, leaving sufficient economic activity to increase employment by c.220,000, net of the impact of private investment.

    Here is another fact. As of September 2008, by discounting all “property” lending by 60%, we could know that the ultimate bill for settlement of our banks would be c.€90B. This total is now sustained with reference to the losses of bondholders, shareholders, the NPRF, the Exchequer and the value of outstanding NAMA bonds. Yes, I certainly want to see those who broke Company Law lingering a few years in gaol though it will cost us €90K/head p.a. to lodge them thus. But actually, what I want to see even very much more is that, as a people, we pick ourselves up, dust ourselves down, and, complete with the lessons of this sorry period now ending, move onto carving out a prosperous and dignified future for all.

    Our Namawinelake benefactors have done much good work in highlighting our Government’s ineptitude in supervising our banks, both pre- and post their collapse and they have done much to ensure that the People now broach identity of the villains. We are to have our general election, putting us into the hands of a different subset of our political establishment. Instancing both diagnosis and treatment, we can presently escape the economic doldrums given merely a modicum of good government and it is the proper business of all thinking people, including the many and thoughtful contributors herein, to motion for that end.

    Pettifogging by members of the present Opposition promises little for our present future and while it galls me to say it, I am not altogether opposed to IMF intervention in our affairs if it means that the various vested interests, career politicians, civil and public servants, bankers, lawyers and doctors are brought to accept the norms endured by those living beyond such halcyon bounds. Let us take advantage of this benevolent intervention in our affairs to determine the objectives of our journey, the barriers to our progress and the means whereby they may be overcome.

    I am not so sensitive that I would cringe at profanity – I am something of an expert in the thing myself – but I respectfully suggest that our discourse will be all the better if we neglect the example of the Taoiseach in such matters.


    • on December 2, 2010 at 4:42 pm namawinelake

      Hi Eric, agreed that we should start with the facts. I would love to see what has been agreed with the ECB with respect to its emergency liquidity assistance programme that has presently some €90bn+ in the six State-guaranteed banks. I would love to know how we roll over ~€12bn of maturing debt in 2011 and I would dearly love to know why the banks now need another €10bn of injections with €25bn in reserve – of course I would really love to know what the range of final losses is likely to be in the banks (obviously will depend on future economic performance but at this stage we should have a good handle on loan losses and derivatives and ongoing operating profits and losses). But these are unknowns at present.

      With respect to the knowns, I’m not quite sure where you sourced your opening figures. I am presently treating as “Bible” the figures from the Budgetary Guidelines issued at the start of November 2010 (link below) but which excluded the latest injections into the banks. We seem to start out with a GNP of €125.5bn at end 2010 for example so not sure how you would get to €143bn in 2014 for example. The guidelines also estimated interest on debt of €8-9bn in 2014, again before the latest bank injections. And I need check but I thought 2014 tax take was closer to €40bn.

      I think I see the point you’re making that regardless of the debt burden we will muddle through at worst and may prosper at best. I disagree and think that a debt of over 100% GDP (102% according to the official estimates pre latest injections) is too high and will lead to a substantially poorer nation, social discord, instability and ultimately messy default. And my position is that we have some freedom to manouevre in December 2010, that will be curtailed when we spend the NPRF/NTMA reserves and may ultimately lead to a more expensive, unorganised and messy default.

      I will study your numbers more closely when I get a chance. Again, thanks for your comment.

      Budgetary Guidelines from the Department of Finance – http://www.finance.gov.ie/viewdoc.asp?fn=/documents/Publications/Guidelines/infor2010.pdf


    • on December 3, 2010 at 4:36 am anonym

      On the other hand, if GNP growth returns to its historic norm – there is no reason why it must not

      The world (never mind Ireland) is still sitting in front of an immense and scarcely-touched shitburger of debt-deleveraging. Expecting growth over the next three or four years to look anything like the norm over the last 30 is optimistic. More specifically, that we will have neither an emerging-markets bust (hello, China) nor a renewed RE/banking crisis in the US before 2014 or 2015 is not a bet I would want to take.


  5. on December 2, 2010 at 6:47 pm Eric Doyle-Higgins

    ‘Lo NWL,
    Thank you for your challenges; responding observations as follows:
    “Hi Eric, agreed that we should start with the facts. I would love to see what has been agreed with the ECB with respect to its emergency liquidity assistance programme that has presently some €90bn+ in the six State-guaranteed banks. I would love to know how we roll over ~€12bn of maturing debt in 2011 and I would dearly love to know why the banks now need another €10bn of injections with €25bn in reserve – of course I would really love to know what the range of final losses is likely to be in the banks (obviously will depend on future economic performance but at this stage we should have a good handle on loan losses and derivatives and ongoing operating profits and losses). But these are unknowns at present.”
    Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth. The ECB is the lender of last resort and we should not worry unduly about it functioning as such – what a pity they were not on their marks in September 2008. I guess (and can put it no more strongly that this) that the ECB’s attendance now derives firstly from discharge of some senior bondholders and then secondly, filling the holes left by understandably concerned depositors. To some extent as to the former and probably very largely so as to the latter, this money is swirling about in the ECB’s system. This is merely what central banks do.
    One might of course be concerned that at some point and in relation to the former, our esteemed Minister for Finance signed an IOU on account of the same. But if so, then we have merely swopped one such for another. We were already alarmed on that score and there is no need to butter our bread twice.
    Debt maturing 2011; Oh, that’s an easy one. We have €42.5B to draw upon, no problem there; provided our esteemed politicians keep their noses clean.
    Final bank obligations and so; I have spent the better part of forty years working in construction and allied areas, specialising in accounting and finance and I have a reasonably good understanding of development finance. If I tell you it is €90B then you can claim my pin-striped willies if I am proven wrong ! Yes, of course I could be wrong. Add €1.5B for each 1% extra on my 60% but you will find I am near enough to the mark and I think also my estimate chimes in harmony with those of learned and experienced commentators who are doing their best also to come to a reasoned approximation of the total damage. Moreover, counting the various “hits” sustained and allowing for the fact that some such remain to be counted, we are heading in the general direction of my estimate.
    To be fair, we are in danger of entering on a second phase of the mayhem. There is no doubt that many businesses are coming under increased pressure and of course many unfortunate private individuals are in difficulty but these are in a different category to our half-brained developer chancers. Given merely a fair wind, this second phase will be stemmed. We must understand that many business people are paralysed into inactivity. They are afraid even to sell because on the one hand they are having difficulty in securing credit on their input costs and they fear that even their best debtors may default. But I tell you this; piece by piece, little by little, people are overcoming their fears. And little by little, they will return to good banking grace. The substratum of their business is most often by far, worthy of such confidence. The real task of government and of opinion formers is to reassure such people that it is ok to believe that tomorrow will come, that their customers are as good as they are themselves and that, in spite of political ineptitude, business will be done and the level of business will improve. I can see it happening day and daily. For once I am with those who say that the absolutely essential ingredient in such things is confidence. It will be rebuilt. We can do it slowly or we can do it now. I prefer to advocate for the latter and by such means we will avoid or at least greatly minimise this second phase.
    Ongoing bank profits and so forth; If you want to know what is going on then read their accounts. I grant you, it will make your eyes water but if you pry enough you will see what is going on. I guess I am not the only one who withers at the thought of our banks rising from the ashes through exceptional profits drawn out of hard-pressed businesses but two things have to be borne in mind. Firstly we need mighty banks complete with large reserves generated out of profits and secondly, as matters stand, provided AIB and BoI can be returned to such rude good health, then eventually, we get to sell them off and make a profit. This can be done.
    “With respect to the knowns, I’m not quite sure where you sourced your opening figures. I am presently treating as “Bible” the figures from the Budgetary Guidelines issued at the start of November 2010 (link below) but which excluded the latest injections into the banks. “
    My computations draw solely upon Budget 2009 (since we seem to be on track), CSO quarterly returns of GDP and GNP and the Memorandum of Understanding itself.
    “We seem to start out with a GNP of €125.5bn at end 2010 for example so not sure how you would get to €143bn in 2014 for example.”
    Not quite. Taking the CSO’s most recent GNP quarterly report c.€33.4B, we are at about €133.6B now. We will grow by at least 1.75% pa over the four years of the proposed arrangements: €133.6B, €135.9B, €138.3B, €140.7B and then to €143.2. Ok? Why 1.75% ? Because we can and then some. Here’s the thing. Workers at all levels in the Private Sector have taken hits all over the place. There is a real and shared sense of urgency in every commercial concern of my acquaintance. Competitive gains are presenting. People are very willing to work hard to bring things around. This, incidentally, is one of the reasons why it is so very important that we are seen to have good government at all levels and in all things.
    “The guidelines also estimated interest on debt of €8-9bn in 2014, again before the latest bank injections. And I need check but I thought 2014 tax take was closer to €40bn.”
    Well then, somebody need to do the arithmetic again. €123B times 5.4% generates a burden of €6.64B. Tax take: The memorandum (page 37) puts us at c.€41.9B gross government receipts year ending December 2011. My anticipation as to growth would bring us beyond €48B in 2014, not necessarily a good thing but certainly €48B is a sound assumption.

    “I think I see the point you’re making that regardless of the debt burden we will muddle through at worst and may prosper at best.”
    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh……… (this is me, very upset). We may not “muddle through”. We must plan our way, every step, every inch. Denis O’Brien tells a story about when he was running a radio station. He took a large rock, placed it in the middle of the boardroom table and wrote upon it the amount of the cumulative deficit. Each week, he returned to the rock and, striking out the former figure, wrote the updated amount. Everybody could see the challenge and, more importantly, everybody could see that, bit by bit, the debt was falling and they could thereby relate their effort to the progress being made. As it happens O’Chopra et al (I thought we should make him an honorary Irishman for all his good work on our behalf) seems to have left a rock of his own and Minister Lenihan’s successors are going to be up to the oxters in weekly reports for the next four years. Every man, woman and child must be allowed to see these figures, to see progress as it is made, to share a sense of achievement and improvement. No “may” about it. We can and therefore will prosper.
    “I disagree and think that a debt of over 100% GDP (102% according to the official estimates pre latest injections) is too high and will lead to a substantially poorer nation, social discord, instability and ultimately messy default.”
    Firstly, forget GDP. We may be able to fool the fools in Brussels with reference to GDP but FIROW is a fiction. If we want to know how we are doing, then we must concern ourselves with GNP.
    Secondly, I do not care a whit for official figures. Debt:GNP will be 86%.
    Thirdly, poorer nation. You betcha. Which is why I would advocate for a financing alternative based upon retirement savings, provided of course that we can be sure that no collection of muttonheaded gombeen politicians would use it as a slush fund. That much is a prerequisite. If we can internalise the interest payments – and I have a very fixed view on that topic – then we could engineer a quantum leap in our national financial standing. No shit.
    Social discord &c; Irish people are too proud to allow themselves to be manipulated by the likes of Eirigí or any such anarchist group. We are a patient bunch. The ballot box is our riot. I just hope that the replacement bunch are better than their actions thus far might lead us to expect. They will be given a reasoned opportunity to bring things around.
    Messy default: I tried this afternoon to buy a little Irish Treasury 03/13/2025 5.4% and was drawn through 300bps before I gave up. Thinking only of sovereign liabilities, we will not default and the market now knows this to be the case.
    As stated at the outset, the ECB now stands ready to take up any bondholder slack for the simple reason that it has no choice and accordingly, there will be no banking-induced default. Including the €10B of the instant arrangements, that’s it. There is no more getting’ gev. Well, mayby €25B but I think that is mere window-dressing.
    “And my position is that we have some freedom to manouevre in December 2010, that will be curtailed when we spend the NPRF/NTMA reserves and may ultimately lead to a more expensive, unorganised and messy default.”
    As at June 2010, the Central Bank had a deposit of €11.5B with Anglo. We can be pretty certain that it did not stop there. Moreover at the same date the NPRF had about €6.5B on deposit with the Central Bank, a microcosm of the problem faced by the ECB currently. My guess, and until I can parse the current financial statements of the various banks I will not be able to sustain this, is that our fabled cash reserves are now safely on deposit with our protected institutions. Could we ever conceive of it that the present government would have allowed O’Chopra et al to come to us without their having firstly put their hands in the national till and found it all but bare ? The NTMA reserves are likely non-existent and the NPRF is, in any event and to some extent in illiquid investments, VC and so on, plus some REPO with, ah yes, a protected institution.
    In summary, we had no room to manoeuvre and we are now properly stitched up in matters national financial. This is no bad thing. We needed to get our finances back on track, our own bunch (and likely their successors also) were simply not prepared to act accordingly and while as a patriot I would wish it otherwise, I am more concerned that we should get on track and then and as time passes, seek out a new type of train and a better crew.
    “I will study your numbers more closely when I get a chance. Again, thanks for your comment.”
    Not a bother. I enjoyed the riposte. Doubtless there are others reading who will have another go and I will very much welcome such discourse. Best to all.
    Eric.


    • on December 2, 2010 at 7:13 pm Brian Flanagan

      @Eric

      You speak of “Debt:GNP will be 86%” in the context of Debt:GDP being c. 100%. I assume you meant Debt:GNP of c. 120% which paints a very different and much worse picture of Exchequer borrowings.


    • on December 2, 2010 at 7:19 pm namawinelake

      Hi Eric, what is your estimate of losses on derivatives? What is your estimate of operating losses at banks which are borrowing short term at 6% and lending at 3-5%? Do you think that the €25bn contingency is safe?


  6. on December 2, 2010 at 7:05 pm JR

    To the IMF.
    Dear Mr. Strauss-Kahn:
    1. We’re banjaxed, we’re in a vicious circle of our head eating our tail
    2. We need to get our tail away from the banks – they’re consuming everything, thats where you come in.
    3. No matter what we’ve done it hasn’t work.
    4. We recognise that we need to get the banks to somehow eat themselves, they won’t listen to us, can you sort them out – help.
    5. We’re doing other stuff as well.
    6. The ideas larder is empty, give us some money.
    7. We’ll do whatever you say, even if you change your mind down the line, just give us the money.
    8. We’ve got other messers lined up for the hit as well (but really its our own taxpayers that are taking it – don’t tell them)

    B&P (no, not the petroleum crowd).

    p.s. we’ve a party here whos previous funding efforts consisted of robbing banks and shooting cops, no matter what we do (and lord knows we tried, we even took ‘republican’ out of the party name) people insist on voting for us. We need to get them into power, this combined funding and public sector culling might just work.


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  8. on December 2, 2010 at 7:42 pm sf ca writer

    @ Eric
    I am with you on a lot of this. However, ‘the ballot box being Irelands riot’ and ‘engineering a quantum leap’ are seriously at odds with the plea for realism in your excellent commentary.
    As regards Ireland’s riot being the ballot box, ask yourself if Cowen and the odd Lenihan or two will still be in the Dail after the next election -nuff said, as they say.
    Decades of family dynasty (several of them) do not reflect a ballot box riot, or even the remote possibility of one.
    Ireland had it’s oppportunity to engineer a quantum leap.
    It did.
    It was called the Celtic Tiger.
    Finally and most crucially, to believe that social discord is the exclusive domain of groups like the ones you mentioned, is to be stuck in history.
    Look at the power of NWL for example.
    The conviction of your writing voice is born from hope, and so it shines, flicking beams of doubt on your dawn-dappled reality. Freckled like an ill-informed teenager yawning, awakening to find a world he cannot understand.


  9. on December 2, 2010 at 8:02 pm Eric Doyle-Higgins

    “The conviction of your writing voice is born from hope, and so it shines, flicking beams of doubt on your dawn-dappled reality. Freckled like an ill-informed teenager yawning, awakening to find a world he cannot understand.”

    I am working to respond to the various observations but I just got to answer this one straight away. Teenager ? You’ve made my evening !

    TYVM,

    e.


  10. on December 2, 2010 at 9:24 pm Eric Doyle-Higgins

    Good Evening Brian,
    Thank you for yours:
    “You speak of “Debt:GNP will be 86%” in the context of Debt:GDP being c. 100%. I assume you meant Debt:GNP of c. 120% which paints a very different and much worse picture of Exchequer borrowings.”
    Debt December 2010 – €83B
    Plus bailout €42.5B
    Debt total – 2014 – €125.5B
    Pare back to €124B to allow for debt arising post bailout during December.
    GNP – 2014 €143B
    124 divided by 143 equals 86%. Ok.

    Good Evening NWL,
    Thank you for yours:
    “Hi Eric, what is your estimate of losses on derivatives? What is your estimate of operating losses at banks which are borrowing short term at 6% and lending at 3-5%? Do you think that the €25bn contingency is safe?”
    Derivatives; since you ask; as I think you understand very well, derivative contracts can only be properly assessed at their conclusion and therefore I can have no meaningful estimate until that time at which point and as I have already advised, such matters are best addressed by careful consideration of the certified financial statements. Perhaps I should also remind you that Mr. Buffett, who once described derivative contracts as financial weapons of mass destruction, has since sold what I think still rank as amongst the biggest put options in history. As he understands, derivative contracts can generate very large absolute returns. It is certainly not beyond the bounds of possibility that such contracts might well comprise one part of the way back for our banks. I suggest you consider the recent performances of such as Goldman Sachs for further discussion on this point. Me ? I am more of a post office savings bank person at heart but I have to give some credence to those who, for example, during the 2009 year, wrote 128 option contracts per second on the CBOE. Many of them would say that they really don’t care whether markets go up or down. What they want is movement, change. In all such circumstances and being properly positioned, they can make money. In summary, I suggest we could usefully hold our whisht until the Fat Lady sings.
    Operating losses, &c: No credit card then. Or you pay it off promptly each month. Many thousands do not and they pay a great deal more, typically three times more than 6% for such credit. While such comprises the star performer for our banks, there are plenty of asset finance, personal loan, overdraft facilities that pay in excess of 6%. As I mentioned earlier, we need our banks to grow mighty once more. They can certainly do so with a cost of funds at 6%. Bear in mind, it was not “cost of funds” that got our banks into trouble, it was reckless lending.
    €25B safe ? Let me firstly say that any money put into Anglo is certainly not “safe”; likewise Nationwide. But I do not earn a cigar for that realisation. On the other hand, AIB and BoI. Let me turn that question back on you. Do you think AIB and BoI are safe ?
    We don’t know how much of the ECB’s recent €90B splurge went into them. Let us guess €60B to Anglo – I think I am about right there – and the balance, €30B to AIB and BoI. I think that they are both more-or-less as “safe” as their borrowers. Our banks are as safe as we are, no more and no less. If you believe that Ireland will fail, then our banks will fail. If, as I do, you believe that Ireland will work its way out of present difficulties, then both AIB and BoI will survive and their depositors’ monies will be safe. I bank with BoI and I have no intention of changing that. I have confidence that my neighbours will give me back my money when I need it. Yes, both AIB and BoI have NAMA ejections to come but at this stage, their execution will provide inflows to both. The sky has not yet fallen on chicken licken.
    Nor will it anytime soon, I think. Even if the proposed €25B contingency is not enough to stem any run, we can now know that the ECB will pick up the pieces. In such circumstances the €25B – and any further monies advanced by the ECB in its role as lender of last resort – will comprise, in effect, collateralisation of loans and, as I said, they are as safe as you and I.
    These are not elegant thoughts. My goodness me but we really are in the manure business to have to think ‘em. But this is my over-riding point. Let us get the bank fraudsters and their accomplices into gaol but we, dear people, will still have to swab the decks. We have to move forward.

    Good Evening sf ca writer,

    And thank you for yours also;
    “I am with you on a lot of this. However, ‘the ballot box being Irelands riot’ and ‘engineering a quantum leap’ are seriously at odds with the plea for realism in your excellent commentary.
    As regards Ireland’s riot being the ballot box, ask yourself if Cowen and the odd Lenihan or two will still be in the Dail after the next election -nuff said, as they say.
    Decades of family dynasty (several of them) do not reflect a ballot box riot, or even the remote possibility of one.”
    Yes, I can see your point and it is well made, if I may say so. I think David McW got it right when he identified Breakfast Roll Man as Bertie’s typical supporter. I work with a lot of them, now far fewer than before and I can tell you that they could see the writing on the wall more quickly than any of us. At the time of the 2007 election, their work was already drying up. See the mortgage loans advanced 2005 to 2010 as published herein yesterday (?). Even I was surprised to note the extent to which the heat had gone out of things in early 2006. FF’s 2007 vote was, to some extent, an act of desperation. Bertie, thought many, would be the very person to keep things going. Had FF not ever worked thus ? Even as they dropped their major clanger, 29 September 2008, many still clung to the belief that somehow, FF would solve things.
    My point is that, many Irish people vote with their pockets. What keeps the dynastic gobdaws in power is not their family connections but rather their control of local party organisations and the concomitant ability to control selection conventions. The generality of the electorate, thereafter faced with a fait accomplit, has little choice but to go for the least worst options.
    This time, they will vote with their pockets once more. Though whether the end-result will be any more effective…….
    You have an opportunity to change things. Put yourself up for election this time around.
    “Ireland had it’s oppportunity to engineer a quantum leap.
    It did.
    It was called the Celtic Tiger.”
    Ah no. The Celtic Tiger merely comprised the greatest transfer of wealth in our history from the have nots to the haves.

    “Finally and most crucially, to believe that social discord is the exclusive domain of groups like the ones you mentioned, is to be stuck in history.
    Look at the power of NWL for example.”
    No, I do not say that Eirigí are the only anarchic fools in our midst. Bear with me for a minute on this. You will not often find me on the same side of the road as the ICTU bearded ones. Like moths to the flame, they flew too close to Bertie ever to be any good to the people they claim to represent. But look at their effort last Saturday. From what I hear, the march and demonstration was very well organised and comprised a wholly legitimate episode in protest. I suggest that it also comprised proof positive that people want to stand together and for each other. We are a mighty people you know. Given decent leadership, we can and will move forward together. There is little “social discord” that I can detect and indeed, every person I talk to seems to share a common agenda of, yes resentment, but also a belief that we must act to move forward. Will the other crowd be any good, they ask. We do not have a right wing that feels itself capable of driving a scythe through our social protections. We do not have masses claiming for financial abandon. Nor do I detect the least enthusiasm for social disorder. We had prosperity before 2002. It was a product of the efforts of all of the people and the thing went sour when the chancers were allowed to hobble things to their own advantage. Be assured of it, people remember and they will vote accordingly. We herein can do our little bit to try to ensure that the memory is honed to an action plan for the future.
    “The conviction of your writing voice is born from hope, and so it shines, flicking beams of doubt on your dawn-dappled reality. Freckled like an ill-informed teenager yawning, awakening to find a world he cannot understand.”
    There are more things in Heaven and Earth, sf ca writer, and you need not be the least concerned. My philosophy is comprehensive.

    All the best to all.
    E.


  11. on December 2, 2010 at 11:04 pm C. Flower

    Great blogpost Namawinelake. My duties mean I’ll discuss it elsewhere and bring it to a second audience.

    This is the way in which we need to look at our situation: but we will also have to find our way through, it’s clear today, in a Eurozone that is unwinding, and with the possibility in sight that bailouts may simply not be available.

    Eric – éirigi is a Marxist party, not anarchist.


  12. on December 3, 2010 at 5:44 am southofdub

    One Word “BOYCOTT”


  13. on December 3, 2010 at 1:00 pm JR

    Hi Eric, a comment or two…

    “These are not elegant thoughts. My goodness me but we really are in the manure business to have to think ‘em. But this is my over-riding point. Let us get the bank fraudsters and their accomplices into gaol but we, dear people, will still have to swab the decks. We have to move forward.”

    The ‘Irish’ banks borrowed privately and lent privately, the state (Irish & European) did not enforce this massive lending course of action on them, it was a private decision which events and hindsight have proved unwise. Point No. 2 in the letters of intent to IMF/EU state just how big the lemmings chest got. Regulatory & legal hindsight be-dammed, the horse has bolted – do we have an obligation to put our arm around the un-thankful prodigal sons (again) and nurse them back to health? or should we force them onto the mercy of the Shylocks who lent to them?

    Whether the banks were ‘Shady or Shoddy’ is largely irrelevant and chasing these alleged ‘fraudsters’ a distraction. Undoubtedly we will be swabbing the decks, but rather than endlessly cleaning up the mess left after the battles of others should we ‘sacrifice’ an institution or two in our ‘donneybrook for Donneybrook’ as an example of both doing the right thing and as an proper warning to others. Let the market dispense justice, after all, the US administration let Lehmans go for these reasons.

    Do we, the citizen and state, move forward with this banking chain around our leg with a sculptured stone block on the end of it or do we cast it off.


  14. on December 3, 2010 at 5:56 pm Eric Doyle-Higgins

    Good Afternoon Anonym,
    Thank you for yours below:
    “The world (never mind Ireland) is still sitting in front of an immense and scarcely-touched shitburger of debt-deleveraging. Expecting growth over the next three or four years to look anything like the norm over the last 30 is optimistic. More specifically, that we will have neither an emerging-markets bust (hello, China) nor a renewed RE/banking crisis in the US before 2014 or 2015 is not a bet I would want to take.”
    I apologise for the delay in responding but the snow-wave is approaching from the west and SWMBO insisted that I clear the driveway before it comes. I tried to explain that my work would quickly be undone but she was having none of it. Oh my aching back. My chiropractor can look forward to an extra few sessions. He is from Wisconsin and given to laughing at the manner in which we deal with such things. Or don’t.
    Unpleasant debt deleveraging meal &c; Between them, my wife and my chiropractor tell the story with eloquence, she with her concern for a light dusting and how it threatens Society and he with his dismissal of anything not requiring a four-track with wheel-chains. Much as I have suggested throughout the instant discourse, we must confront the reality of our situation. It would be plain stupid to minimise the difficulties but we must not overstate them either.
    Some advocate that the amount of banking capital should be prescribed on a composite regulatory basis and increased over former levels. Such intensified capitalisation, while it is in progress, will constrict credit growth or, as you put it, require deleveraging, reducing the money supply and so on.
    But even if in August 2008 we had capitalised the protected institutions to, say, Tier 1 12%, their reckless lending with c.33% of assets exposed to bubble margins of c.60%, would still have precipitated (for five of them certainly) failure. We can capitalise them to their gunwales but until such time as their dubious assets are liquidated they will not function as banks.
    From 1845 until about 2004, the AIB / ICI debacle notwithstanding, our various banks were managed with prudence with Tier 1 capital of c.4%. More recently, Ulster Bank has benefited from AIB’s and BoI’s deposit outflows such that some of their developer borrowers are now being provided with finance to complete projects in hand. Little by little, piece by piece, such assets will be liquidated and each liquidation in turn will provide deposits for renewed circulation and so on. Or to put it another way, the recent ECB “injection” into AIB and BoI has, in effect, reinvigorated the Ulster Bank by providing it with deposits. Absent guarantees, Ulster Bank must function in strict conformity with economic realities. If they win, they win. If they lose, they lose. They will likely be a great deal more careful than even they were in the recent past.
    Such as the proposed recapitalisation of AIB and BoI would stop such recovery in its tracks. Specification of a higher Tier 1 – such as is provided for in the Memorandum of Understanding – would have the effect of sucking in scarce capital while at the same time further constricting lending capacity. However, the very inclusion of a banking contingency amount rather gives the game away. NAMA comprises a thoroughly smelly business as clearly shown on this site but it has removed some of the uncertainty attaching to AIB and BoI. Remove the remainder, at whatever cost, and they can begin to lend once more. (Yes, I know; we should also remove the remainder of the old senior management structure but una tempor laboris.) In such fluid circumstances, a capital ratio becomes, no longer an article of religion, more of a prohibition on condoms for Catholics.
    I suggest that these realities are beginning to dawn on the G20. Thoughts of banking motherhood and apple pie will soon disperse in favour of the maintenance of credit. Angela Merkel’s contribution, proposing a toaster for corporate bondholders, will have the effect of obliging bondholders to “do the heavy lifting” in matters of banking supervision.
    Appointment of such investors as quasi-equity holders in banks will do far more to provide effective supervision than any regulatory prescription. Removing such safe investment havens may well increase funds available to non-banking undertakings whether in the form of equity or bonds. Such disintermediation would achieve greater maturity matching at a lesser cost. Turner’s (February 2009) non-productive financial services wedge might well shrink appreciably, rendering Europe’s industries more efficient.
    I mentioned Denis O’Brien once before herein. He will forgive me, I hope, if I mention him again. At a seminar in Dublin last year, he gave vent to an episode in the course of which he was seeking to select bankers to under-write a bond issue for his Pacific ventures. After much of this and that, he reported, he took a long hard look at the process and said “Hey, we can do this ourselves”. Insofar as I am aware, he did.
    Yes, I agree. De-leveraging is an unpleasant possibility. But and as aforesaid, even in Ireland we are finding ways around it. We are not the only ones who can think these things through. Paraphrasing Gekko, greed is good. Greed is legal. And now, greed, investor greed, is necessary.
    Growth averages &c; The artificer can always find work provided he is prepared to accept the going rate. We are such a little nation in the World. We can feed and clothe ourselves, we have enough houses, we have skilled professionals in every necessary field and we have considerable resources of private capital. We have a young population. We are not – despite what it says in the National Pensions Framwork – under the immediate shadow of a demographic challenge. We are law-abiding and we are returning to social cohesion. We can engineer a synthetic devaluation (by this I mean, we can lower many costs while remaining within a currency union) and indeed I believe we are well on the way to doing so. We will be able to find markets for our outputs provided we can maintain competitiveness. My feelings on the GDP:FIROW:GNP question are already stated but we can see that our exports are growing; the attributable bit of GNP is growing. We can enjoy meaningful economic growth if we are willing to work for it and in my humble opinion, there is a collective will to bend to that task.
    You don’t agree. Fair enough. Let us all pack our bags, close our houses, wrap up our children and buy ferry tickets.
    No. I didn’t think so. We are where we are. We must make the very best of it.
    China / Banking &c: China relies upon us for demand for her products and increasingly, this relationship will be reciprocated. One of my companies has recently exported to China and now that we have broken the ice we will do more of the same in the future. I will worry a little if this trade disappears. But until then, I will keep selling. That is how business is done. One deal at a time. Emerging markets generally are where we were in the 1960’s. Today we make a meaningful contribution to world trade. Why are you apprehensive about this ? In many ways, our future is brighter then ever before. That goes for every European. But for us here in Ireland, it is even better. We trade more intensively than almost any other country. We know how it is done. We have, after all, to be only a little successful to be very well off in aggregate. Indeed this is the real tragedy of our current situation, that we were so close to the epitome of such circumstances in the early part of this decade and then gave it away to the half-brained chancers et al.
    Take heart Anonym.

    Best to all,

    Eric.


  15. on December 3, 2010 at 5:57 pm Eric Doyle-Higgins

    Good Afternoon C. Flower,
    Thank you for yours below:
    “This is the way in which we need to look at our situation: but we will also have to find our way through, it’s clear today, in a Eurozone that is unwinding, and with the possibility in sight that bailouts may simply not be available.
    Eric – éirigi is a Marxist party, not anarchist.”
    Eurozone unwinding, huh ? I agree that is a possibility but I have to say I have no fear real fear on that score. We export successfully to the USA, the UK, non-Euro EU and so on though the various exchange rates have been going up and down like a jockey’s underpants, likewise imports. Provided we can manage to pool currency risks in a cost-efficient way – something we do not do so well currently – I see little difficulty for trade as such. Moreover, recovery of control of our own currency would offer such as exchange control and competitive devaluation, not to mention an ability to hone our taxation regimes wholly to our own requirements.
    Have you been to Killibegs recently ? The range of Irish vessels tied up there, rusting unused while Spanish trawlers unload uncounted quantities of our fish has got to be seen for the travesty it is. Where is our garments industry, our carpets and furniture industries ? What about our sugar beet !
    Bailouts ? You jest, surely. The reason why we are getting it and the reason why we need it is because we gave away control of our own economic affairs. Certainly yes, our own stooks in Rialtas na hÉireann, Dáil Éireann, the Central Bank, the former IFSRA, the Departments of Finance and Enterprise, Trade and whatchamaycallit were variously asleep at the helm or away on a Florida-based cruise but even their collective misfeasance was trumped by the wall of cheap credit that descended upon us in aid of recovery in the German economy. Fair play to you lads of the ECB (I understand this is an example of regulator speak), you plugged the hole in our banks. Should the ECB disintegrate then we can re-plug it. At our own convenience.
    Meanwhile and as I stated at the outset of this discourse, we are not so badly set as some of us choose to believe. Our key ratios will be within the bounds of reasonableness. We have ample private capital which can be fairly and prudently recruited to the funding of our deficit.
    Eirigí: Marxist ? Our gardaí have had to clean duck poo, the better to reclaim the streets. It is a fair bet it was left there by ducks though I notice that the paint at least was red. What a pity our students were embroiled in such conduct. Opportunist, marxist anarchists then. Ok ?
    Me ? I am also multi-faceted. I am an arrogant capitalist.
    After all, it takes all sorts to make a world.
    Best to all,

    Eric.


  16. on December 3, 2010 at 5:57 pm Eric Doyle-Higgins

    Good Afternoon JR,
    Thank you for yours below.
    “The ‘Irish’ banks borrowed privately and lent privately, the state (Irish & European) did not enforce this massive lending course of action on them, it was a private decision which events and hindsight have proved unwise. Point No. 2 in the letters of intent to IMF/EU state just how big the lemmings chest got. Regulatory & legal hindsight be-dammed, the horse has bolted – do we have an obligation to put our arm around the un-thankful prodigal sons (again) and nurse them back to health? or should we force them onto the mercy of the Shylocks who lent to them?
    Whether the banks were ‘Shady or Shoddy’ is largely irrelevant and chasing these alleged ‘fraudsters’ a distraction. Undoubtedly we will be swabbing the decks, but rather than endlessly cleaning up the mess left after the battles of others should we ‘sacrifice’ an institution or two in our ‘donneybrook for Donneybrook’ as an example of both doing the right thing and as an proper warning to others. Let the market dispense justice, after all, the US administration let Lehmans go for these reasons.
    Do we, the citizen and state, move forward with this banking chain around our leg with a sculptured stone block on the end of it or do we cast it off.”

    Will you forgive me if I say that, like many others, I feel your pain and your anger. Or at least, I am certainly very angry. Despite heartening allegation otherwise herein, it is many years since I was a teenager and I have lived through three preceding major economic upsets but this is the first such period out of which we could identify a cadre of such miscreants as those who wrote the script of our present misfortune.
    I have spent many years in the practice of a profession of which one element is taxation compliance and another, corporate, that is to say, company law compliance. There were many occasions upon which I could have discounted such obligations. At every turn I resisted such temptations. I am glad I did. I have always paid my share and I am proud to be able to say I did so. But I would have to be honest and say that part of what kept me that way was the knowledge that some way, some day, whether through the diligence of a dutiful Inspector of Taxes or the surveillance of the Director of Corporate Enforcement, shortcoming on my part would be discovered and penalised in both a condign and in a monetary fashion. Like the vast bulk of people, I played by the rules and would have been ashamed to do otherwise.
    The people we all have in mind did no such thing. They have no shame. They took every advantage of our systems of laws and public administration and continue to do so to today, often having thereby accrued the use and benefit of many, sometimes tens of millions of Euro. Others, not quite so guilty, nevertheless swam to advantage in this cesspool, causing mayhem in their wake, increasing the opportunity cost of business assets until business could bear it no more, putting half a generation of homeowners into irretrievable hock, securing vast transfers of wealth, all the while lording it over the rest of us as if they were God’s gift to Irish Capitalism until finally and never having been content with their gains, they forged ever more intensely until both lifeblood of business and mite of widow were in danger of extinction as a direct result of their greed.
    Until such time as we can instil terror borne of the majesty of our laws and the power of our institutions, we are at risk that this rum lot will reincarnate and do it all again. I hope the markets will penalise them. It could not happen to better boys and girls though I will not hold my breath. But and like the Shylock you mention, I want pound of flesh. I want blood. I want the most firm guarantee possible that should anybody in Ireland ever again be tempted to behave in like fashion, they will fear our retribution and in quick time thereafter, we shall have it. There is no such thing as freedom. There is only law and order. We live at peace because we offer peace to each other. It cannot be blue peace to her but only grey peace to him. It must be the same peace for all.
    Yes and again as I have said already, the horse has already bolted. The die was caste on the 29th September 2008 and we have pretty-well taken all the necessary hits. The benefit of default is proportionate to the value of hits still capable of aversion while the detriment, sadly, runs inverse. But justice is not yet served.
    Our esteemed correspondents herein have done much to inform us on the where’s and how’s of NAMA and yet and despite their copious and righteous work, they have still not uncovered the definitive reason as to why, on the 29th September 2008, our government placed our heads in the Anglo halter. We need also to know and understand the reasons underpinning that decision. We need to know who encouraged it and who benefited from it. Did our government, for example, receive “instructions” from the ECB ? Was our sovereignty sold, long since and well before the current Memorandum of Understanding ? Or was the motivation entirely home-grown ? And if so, what exactly was said in the conversations through which the guarantee was decided upon ? To what extent was our government on notice of the peculiar condition of Anglo ? Did anybody present on behalf of the government understand and properly interpret that condition ?
    There is one way to get at this truth. Let us, metaphorically speaking, hunt down every person who was implicated, if only to the least extent, in the various organisation and machinations in question. Let us impress them with the hundreds of indictable offences proscribed in our Companies and Finance Acts and let us see what happens. There is no truth which could now damage our interests further and in my humble opinion, full disclosure in such matters is an essential prerequisite to a successful outcome in the coming struggles.
    Prodigals ? Plonkers, more like and yes, they must be brought to book.
    Best to all.

    Eric.


    • on December 3, 2010 at 6:32 pm Frank

      Eric,

      I would say the truth will be very hard to get at. It seems as though a lot of money is being lent to Ireland to keep it hidden. What could have happened in Ireland that, if found out, would have worse ramifications than the Irish bank bailout? I don’t know but there’s a good chance it happened just north of the Custom House.


  17. on December 3, 2010 at 6:44 pm Eric Doyle-Higgins

    Good Evening Frank,

    Thank you for yours:
    “I would say the truth will be very hard to get at. It seems as though a lot of money is being lent to Ireland to keep it hidden. What could have happened in Ireland that, if found out, would have worse ramifications than the Irish bank bailout? I don’t know but there’s a good chance it happened just north of the Custom House.”

    There’s a thought.

    Let us suppose for a moment that you are on the right track. Now, take your income tax hit. Pay for your water. Take a further pay cut. Have your entitlement to the State pension placed in doubt. Wait longer for everything from a house to a bus to a hospital bed. You can see where I am going with this, I am sure.

    You cannot be expected to suffer these impositions without having matters honestly explained to you.

    You have me thinking now. Epicentre of Europe’s banking crisis ?

    Perhaps there are others who can expand on this ?

    Best to all,

    Eric.


  18. on December 3, 2010 at 8:45 pm JR

    Eric,
    I appreciate and share your anger and outrage and at an emotional level cannot disagree with your statements. The pragmatist in me would hate to see further money (look at our tribunals – set up to deflect attention and to allow things to carry on in their abnormal ways) wasted. Any shortcuts to giving those their just desserts is heading the way of anarchy, it seems we should set ourselves for the long haul of being fed this via the tribunal inquiry/media for the next 20 years – another (to be celebrated) Irish solution to an Irish problem.

    The mess was created by the larger ‘pool’ available after the € became a currency which we were part of, this report in 2004 from the Central Bank is part bedtime story part horror story now.

    Click to access Summary.PDF

    Our government Sept 08 misjudgment effectively doubled the bet – with interest payments on top how much more again?
    On our journey forward lets not get distracted by these ‘plonkers’, lets ditch them. Does that include FF, probably if polls are to be believed. By all means let Appleby/fraud squad hunt them down.

    What sort of country could we re-invent?
    My own tendencies are Libertarian in which there is room for ‘raging capitalists’ & ‘joyous leftists’. Big Society and small Government. Oh to hear a description of government stated as a % of GDP/GNP, and a very small one at that, instead of borrowings/deficits/inflation targets/tax take &c, &c &c. Bizarrely a FG & FF combination could, to my mind, achieve this – what odds of that from the latest poll?

    Have a large one on me Eric and keep the spirit up.

    p.s. by way of introduction (and a good read as well), try,
    Vidal, inventing a nation, &
    Rothbard, for a new liberty.

    A rather amusing (it may even strike you as true) quote from the grandaddy of them all…
    Lysander Spooner quotes:
    But this theory of our government is wholly different from the practical fact. The fact is that the government, like a highwayman, says to a man: ‘Your money, or your life.’ And many, if not most, taxes are paid under the compulsion of that threat. The government does not, indeed, waylay a man in a lonely place, spring upon him from the roadside, and, holding a pistol to his head, proceed to rifle his pockets. But the robbery is none the less a robbery on that account; and it is far more dastardly and shameful. The highwayman takes solely upon himself the responsibility, danger, and crime of his own act. He does not pretend that he has any rightful claim to your money, or that he intends to use it for your own benefit. He does not pretend to be anything but a robber. He has not acquired impudence enough to profess to be merely a ‘protector,’ and that he takes men’s money against their will, merely to enable him to ‘protect’ those infatuated travellers, who feel perfectly able to protect themselves, or do not appreciate his peculiar system of protection. He is too sensible a man to make such professions as these. Furthermore, having taken your money, he leaves you, as you wish him to do. He does not persist in following you on the road, against your will; assuming to be your rightful ‘sovereign,’ on account of the ‘protection’ he affords you. He does not keep ‘protecting’ you, by commanding you to bow down and serve him; by requiring you to do this, and forbidding you to do that; by robbing you of more money as often as he finds it for his interest or pleasure to do so; and by branding you as a rebel, a traitor, and an enemy to your country, and shooting you down without mercy, if you dispute his authority, or resist his demands. He is too much of a gentleman to be guilty of such impostures, and insults, and villanies as these. In short, he does not, in addition to robbing you, attempt to make you either his dupe or his slave.


  19. on December 3, 2010 at 9:39 pm Eric Doyle-Higgins

    Good Evening JR,

    I will certainly have that one, thank you.

    Tribunals. No thank you. They comprise merely an abuse of process though it could hardly be said that in aggregate they comprise a waste of money. Rather the contrary, mindful of the taxes collected in consequence. I had in mind boots on doors followed by trials.

    Frank still has me thinking.

    I have just finished re-reading “After The Fall” a paper by Carmen M. Reinhart and Vincent R. Reinhart which seeks to update “This Time Is Different” By Carmen M. Reinhart and Kenneth S. Rogoff. The paper seeks to describe in statistical terms, economies hit by financial crises as to the period ten years before to ten years after the onset of the crises. It comprises daunting reading for anybody wishing to devise viable solutions to such as our current difficulties. Websource:

    Click to access 2010-08-17-reinhart.pdf

    Be that as it may and thinking again of Frank’s intimation, Carmen’s and Vincent’s Table 4 makes very interesting reading. They advise that in the period from 2003 to 2007, Ireland’s gross external debt increased by 407.2% in terms of GDP 2007, total €771B. That makes some sense. But they also say that in the period 2007 to 2010 the total increase was of the order of 169.8% of GDP 2007, €320B. Their following comment on their Figure 8 makes plain that this actually refers to 2008 onwards. That makes no sense. Unless the greater portion of this borrowing did, as Frank intimates, arise “north of the Custom House”.

    But, and excuse me for being dense, how would such borrowing occasion pressure upon Rialtas na hÉireann ?

    I need help on this one.

    FF/FG ? I would not have thought so until today when the Labour Party published its high-income-tax proposals. Did those fools learn nothing during the 1980’s ?

    Best to all,

    Eric.


  20. on December 3, 2010 at 10:01 pm JR

    “FF/FG ? I would not have thought so until today when the Labour Party published its high-income-tax proposals. Did those fools learn nothing during the 1980’s ?”

    Exactly. Heaping Big Government on big government compounds. There currently exists a possibility of a left of center variegated coalition, this just may propel the two centrist together.

    I’ve always wondered about this…
    http://www.angloirishbank.com/Media-Centre/Press_Release_Archive/Sale_of_Swiss_Private_Banking_Subsidiary.html
    and this…
    http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1014646.shtml
    not to mention this…
    http://journalist.ie/2010/09/the-curious-tale-of-anglo-irish-bank-and-its-austrian-deposits/


    • on December 4, 2010 at 11:09 am Brian Flanagan

      @JR
      Following Kathleen Barrington’s article in the Sunday Business Post, I have also wondered about the timing of the sale of Anglo Irish Bank (Austria) AG. It is funny the way things stick in your mind and I’m glad to see that it is also preying on your mind. Maybe the keys to this development are contained in encrypted files at Anger Irish???

      As regards the Labour Party proposals for a new tax rate, this would be hardly necessary if current rates were paid in full. If you study Revenue Income Tax stats in detail, it becomes very apparent that people (mainly PAYE) earning about 100k probably pay the highest effective tax rate, Those earning more that (mainly directors) can reduce their effective tax rate by various schemes. Instead of introducing a new rate, the minimum tax payable for high earners could be raised to say 45% and PRSI/HLevy could be extended to all incomes. IMHO, this would be as beneficial to the Exchequer as a new higher tax rate.

      You might be interested in this entry in my blog about marginal and effective tax rates:
      http://www.planware.org/briansblog/2009/12/marginal-and-effective-tax-rates.html
      It shows that a PAYE worker would need to be earning about €900k to be paying tax at more than 50% of their entire income. The corresponding figure for a director is about 650k. Remember, these are worst case figure and take no account of reliefs or pension payments.


    • on December 4, 2010 at 3:44 pm Frank

      JR,

      Have you seen this?

      http://www.austriantimes.at/news/Business/2010-03-09/21411/Vienna_'centre_of_Mafia_money-laundering_operation


  21. on December 4, 2010 at 12:40 pm who_shot_the_tiger

    Hi Eric,
    I am by nature an optimist. And while I wish for and even “will” your benign recovery scenario, I have my reservations. Just a few of them below:

    At this point in time, we are not blessed with either Statesmen or leaders. Other than in the tribal sense the title of “Taoiseach” fits none of our politicians. IMO, not one of them is fit to lead.

    Jobless growth is an oxymoron. There can be no recovery without job growth.

    Actually, the key to recovery is job growth and without an input from construction and housing production we are not going to achieve any net growth in jobs. We will achieve emigration and this may fudge the unemployment figures – but housing always leads us out of recession.

    Typical post-war recessions have been followed by a robust rebound in both economic output and housing. In a normal economic recovery, growth in housing is a lead indicator and would be two to three times as strong as growth in the overall economy. Not this time. Even if we achieve some growth in 2012, it will be nowhere near the compensating growth you would expect to see after the severity of the recession we are suffering, in large part because of a lack of support from the housing industry.

    Because of overproduction during the bubble, this driver will not be available to us. We have to absorb the existing stock that is out there. And the current level of existing stock is by far the highest in our history.

    The other driver is the availability of bank credit. We need to add liquidity to the system. That means that banks should start lending again, something that they have not been doing no matter what they say.

    Increased bank credit has historically has been associated with improved private employment growth, especially among firms with less than 50 employees – who have been contending with severe credit constraints.

    The thousands of home owners who are underwater and owe more on their home than it is worth pose an ongoing impediment to second hand home sales.

    IMO, two-thirds of mortgages taken out after 2006 are underwater. While most of these home owners are continuing to make their mortgage payments, they are not in a position to move or refinance. This is a drag on the economy and will continue to be until there is (a) liquidity in the system, (b) house price inflation that will allow them to exit, or (c)some form of debt write down for those caught in this situation.

    The fact that the market is now correcting from the housing bubble with a severe downturn in which both home prices and home building have dropped dramatically has some positive implications for future growth.

    The declines in house prices and mortgage rates will reduce average monthly home payments to a historic low. This is a plus because when a meaningful recovery does begin, more people will be able to get into the market. An environment that is remarkably affordable is likely to hold for the better part of next 5 years.

    But it all comes back to job growth and that means getting rid of the housing overhang, at whatever price the market will pay. No more of this NAMA “we must support the market”.

    2006 is long gone.


  22. on December 4, 2010 at 5:29 pm who_shot_the_tiger

    The truth is that this deal is all about bailing out the banks – no, not ours, but the German, British and French banks. Secondly it is about the survival of the Euro.

    But little Ireland and this deal cannot save the Euro. For it to survive there must be a huge (as in trillions) stability fund created, and/or the ECB will have to print euros on a level that would make the Fed blush, simply to get the various national debt levels down to where the peripheral countries can actually pay them down.

    Can that happen? Maybe. The euro never was an economic currency. It is a political currency, and for it to remain a currency or at some point in the future become an economic currency, it will take massive political resolve on the part of the members of the EU.

    There are only a few paths in front of us. The peripheral European countries can simply default – Greece did so just 20 years ago. Rates got up to 20% for them. Banks would take losses, but the ECB can be the backstop. And after a while people would forget and lend the Greeks and ourselves money again.

    Or some of the peripheral countries can leave and go back to their own currencies, taking the path to devaluation, like Iceland did. Or Germany can decide to go its own way after what will be a very volatile and controversial election in the future.

    Or the ECB can print euros and buy out the debt on European banks’ balance sheets. Or create a massively large stability fund and combine that with some haircuts for euro bond holders.

    There are no good solutions, just very difficult ones. And not one that I see that is capable of solving the problem is being acted on at present.


  23. on December 6, 2010 at 7:39 pm JR

    Hi Frank,
    Yes.

    http://www.italianinsider.it/?p=1374
    http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/337418/italian_telcos_caught_up_massive_mafia_fraud/#comments



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