Allied Irish Banks PLC (AIB) has this afternoon released an interim management statement which continues to paint a distressing picture for what was Ireland’s largest bank. Highlights
UPDATE: 20th November, 2010. Thanks to the commenters for pointing out that AIB reclassified the UK and Polish deposits at the end of June 2010. This has clarified the update immediately below. It seems that AIB’s deposits went from €84bn in Dec 2009 to €83bn in June 2010 (including €23bn held in the UK and Poland) to €71bn today. It is unclear from the AIB statement if the €13bn is from all deposits (including the UK and Poland) or just the €59bn non-UK/Poland. If the latter then that means that 22% of deposits have “flown” since June 2010. If the trend of increased household savings in 2010 was the same as 2009 then this means that withdrawals by corporates and institutions were partly offset by increased deposits by households. UPDATE: It has been pointed out that although household savings might be increasing as measured by the Central Statistics Office, it seems that household deposits fell by 2% in the year to September, 2010. So the deposit flight might consist of a marginal reduction in household deposits and a substantial reduction in corporate/institutional deposits.
UPDATE: 19th November, 2010. Well now I am thoroughly confused – looking at the balance sheet for AIB at June 30th 2010, I see that customer accounts were down €23bn from the end of 2009. If customer accounts are now “only down” by €13bn then that implies that deposits increased by ~€10bn in the four and a half months to 11th November, 2010. And remember this was the period when the guarantee was due to run out and AIB’s credit rating was cut on 8th October, 2010 by S&P. If this interpretation is correct then why didn’t AIB shout it from the rooftops today – if deposits did indeed increase by ~€10bn in the most recent four months then surely that is a positive that should be highlighted?
(a) The bank claims to have lost 16% of its deposits since the start of 2010 (note 43 on page 149 of the 2009 Annual Report shows deposits of €83bn and AIB say that has reduced by €13bn to the end of last week). The bank is dependent on ECB/Central Bank of Ireland funding. Unlike Irish Life and Bank of Ireland, AIB don’t indicate if the deposit flight tailed off after the renewal of the guarantee in September 2010.
(1) The State, via the National Pension Reserve Fund, is now on the line to underwrite €6.6bn of new capital raising at €0.50 per share (current share price €0.45). €2.9bn of the €6.6bn will come from a conversion of preference shares (the State presently owning €3.5bn of 8% yielding preference shares). At current prices, the State will end up owning 93.92% of AIB (CORRECTION: 20th November, 2010. I see that Simon Carswell in today’s Irish Times is putting the State shareholding at 94% so here are the workings – In May 2010, the State through the NPRF received 198,089,847 shares in lieu of the 8% dividend on preference shares. The State said this amounted to 18.6% of AIB’s shares implying there were 1,065m shares in total. The proposal now is to inject €6.6bn at €0.5 per share ie to receive 13.2bn shares. This will mean that the State owns 13.2bn shares from this forthcoming issue plus 198m from the dividend in lieu payment in May 2010, ie a total of 13.398bn shares out of a total of 14.265bn or 93.92%) And that assumes that the sale of AIB’s Polish operation – 70.5% of Bank Zachodni WBK gets both regulatory and shareholder approval, it’s not clear what the delays are. There is no indication that junior bondholders will be subjected to haircuts so at present, there is a lamentable paying off of junior bondholders at the expense of our pension fund.
(2) There may have been some jiggery pokery with the €10.4bn capital requirement as AIB seems to have only booked a 56% haircut on the €4.4bn of €5-20m loan exposures which the Minister for Finance decided in September should remain with AIB and BoI. The AIB NAMA loans are expected to incur a 60% haircut. Why should the lower value loans which are expected to be more green fields in Athlone have a lower haircut than the €20m+ exposures?
(3) AIB claim their 90+ days of arrears mortgages amounted to 2.6% of their mortgages at the end of September 2010. Interestingly they claim the Central Bank was to release figures showing 6.6% of mortgages were over 90 days in arrears – “the overall market figure for the same arrears category published by the Central Bank of Ireland was c.6.6% at the end of September.”. In fact, just on Wednesday the Central Bank released their Q3 figures which showed 5.1% of mortgages in arrears over 90 days. Did the Central Bank trim their statistics at the last minute? You could easily become paranoid here!
(4) AIB has cut 600 staff in the past year.
(5) The bank has put on hold the sale of its UK operation. Although Northern Ireland property values and business show poor results, the mainland is performing better.
(6) The outlook is uncertain. AIB forecast 2011 GDP in the State at +1.75%. Unemployment will weigh on any recovery. The only positive I took from the statement was that AIB’s mortgage book appears unusually healthy. It’s probably the all-pervasive gloom but I find myself suspecting that even that assessment of the mortgage book is too optimistic.
(7) And for a management statement that relates to a period that ended 45 days ago, no operating profit or net profit quantum though there is a general statement that they’re reducing. Are things that bad?
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The loans in difficulty are likely to be the newer ones. Hence if x % of the number of loans are in difficulty then the percentage of the loan book impaired is likely to be substantially greater than X%
It is that bad. It is even worse than that bad. Within the banking fraternity, the word is that AIB need €20 billion and they need it now. It is unlikely that our new masters will put it up (in fact I was told that they won’t) and AIB will go the way of Anglo.
BTW, the graphs of Cowen’s popularity and the sovereign bond rate have crossed and as I predicated, it signaled the arrival of the IMF.
So the state, at todays market prices we will own 97.2% of AIB? Added on top of that, the IMF are likely to insist in new capital being put into AIB. There is no other outcome that 100% nationalisation of AIB before Christmas.
The deposit figures are shocking. The 16% of deposits were not lost during 2010, they were mainly lost since June 30th 2010. What percent constitutes a run on the bank? Clearly, from taking to friends and reading posts online, deposit holders are still taking their money out of AIB at an alarming rate.
Actually I am pleasantly surprised Ciaran that you are wrong. The half year accounts for 30th June 2010 (link below) show €59.8bn of deposits, down from €83.95bn at the start of the year. If deposits today are €13bn down from €83.95bn then that means there are €70bn of deposits today, an increase of €10bn from the end of June 2010 – go figure! Of course if we believe the statistics household savings are increasing dramatically so an overall drop of €13bn since Jan this year *might mean for example*, new household savings of €10bn and corporate withdrawals of €23bn.
Anyway if I have interpreted the numbers correctly there has been an “improvement” in deposits since June 2010 – odd for AIB not to draw attention to this?
http://www.aib.ie/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=AIB_Investor_Relations/AIB_Download/aib_d_download&c=AIB_Download&cid=1280161330231&channel=IRFP
The figures don’t add up. There is no way that AIB deposits increased in Q3 2010. AIB Said “Excluding Poland, the loan to deposit ratio at 30th September was 159% compared to 151% at 30th June.”, surely this means AIB have lost deposits in Q3 2010?
Also, please see page 11 here: http://backup.aibgroup.com/errorpageimages/HalfYearly2010.pdf . As per page 11, deposits as at June 30th 2010 were 83 billion. Their deposit base was 84 billion on December 31st 2009. Hence, the decline took place in Q3 as their deposit base is now aprox. 70 billion (and it is clearly still declining).
I think the confusion might be from the fact that some of the AIB deposit figures include Poland and some of the figures exclude Poland ???
Hi Ciaran, thanks for your comments – you’ve hit upon something that appears extraordinary. I have looked at your link and page 11 begins with “Criticised loans up to 33% of total loans” – do you mean page 11? I was looking at page 38 (link below) which is the AIB balance sheet which shows customer accounts at €59 830m at June 30th 2010. Have a look and let me know if your agree. Your observation makes more sense but I can’t get it to agree with the financial statements .
http://www.aib.ie/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=AIB_Investor_Relations/AIB_Download/aib_d_download&c=AIB_Download&cid=1280161330231&channel=IRFP
Hi Nama Wine Lake, oops, it is on page 21, not page 11.
Page 21 states:
“customer deposits December 31st 2009 84 billion”
“customer deposits June 30th 2010 83 billion”
Hence, the massive decline in AIB deposits happened in Q3 2010.
Hi Ciaran, yes I now see what you mean – I need to reconcile these management review figs with the balance sheet. Long day so it will be the tomorrow morning. Thanks again for highlighting this issue.
Scarab/CiaranT, thank you both. Yes it seems that €23,052m of deposits relate to UK (€13,186m) and Poland (€9,866m) and are reclassified in the June 2010 reporting away from customer accounts to “disposal groups”. The interim statement yesterday states “Customer accounts have been affected by current adverse international sentiment towards the Irish sovereign and banking sector and are down by c.€13bn from the beginning of 2010 to the close of business on 16 November. This reduction was primarily due to lower institutional and corporate balances.” No breakdown of the €13bn is provided – it might be split across the “customer accounts ” and “groups”, it might relate 100% to “customer accounts”. So at the best for AIB the €13bn reduction is a 16% reduction, at worst it is a 22% reduction – in both cases arising after H2.
The latest household savings data for Ireland seems to have been produced on 29th October, 2010 (link below to Irish Times article and analysis) but unfortunately it relates to 2009. There doesn’t appear to be any data for 2010. 2009 saw a dramatic rise in household savings “the net savings rate of 12.3 per cent represented a massive increase on 2008, when just 3.9 per cent of disposable income was saved. In 2007, the figure was zero.” If that trend has continued then the 16-22% reduction in deposits is even more startling. And again it is a little worrying that AIB didn’t make any reassuring statement yesterday to say the deposit flight had stopped after September 2010. Well there we go – I did try to extract a bright ray from the results but alas it was groundless!
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2010/1029/1224282234801.html
No worries, keep up the great work with this blog, you do some incredible analysis here.
NWL re deposits at June….
The entire 13bn of deposits has been lost since 30th June, customer deposits in the UK and Poland have moved to being classified as held for sale in the 2010 figures but are included in customer deposits in the 2009 figures.
See note 18, 23bn of customer accounts in there.
Isn’t the flight of deposits from AIB possibly a net positive at this point? The less money on deposit in dodgy Irish banks, the less it would cost the State to make whole the depositors (while burning senior unsecured bondholders and still observing all pari passu niceties) in the case of a restructuring or insolvency of those banks. (This has been pointed out before…)
It is symptomatic of AIb that they would design figures to fudge. I haven’t tried to analyse them yet, but on anecdotal evidence from other non-Irish banks in Dublin, the stream of deposits out of AIB has turned into a flood in the last month. One went so far as to say that they are “flat out” opening up new bank deposit accounts for AIB corporate customers.
The future of any bank is decided by its clients and this run is self fulfilling and nothing less than AIB deserves – it is the revenge of their clients. A win for the little guys – Bravo!
@ Ciaran T and ALL READERS
“No worries, keep up the great work with this blog, you do some incredible analysis here.”
NWL
Absolutely. I think that you are doing wonderful work and I don’t know why/how you do it, but thank you. You come across as very independent and very professional and there can be no higher compliment, IMHO. Your blog will be used by students as a primary source of info about Nama etc. for decades. Pity it is not used by the powers that be NOW.
My only complaint about NWL is that the text in the graphic in the header is not clear. I think a textual strapline would be better. I cannot talk as my website is “last century”.
Could you (if you have time) have a look at the Greedman Sucks’ Irish Handbook at http://www.irisheconomy.ie/GSIRELANDHANDBOOKnov182010.pdf
You will never earn their fees rates even though you deserve them.
Thanks Brian for the comments and link to the GS report which I am examining. Regarding the header, it is presently created on MS Paint to which there is universal access. Will try to migrate over to Photoshop to make it clearer. I was reassured to hear from the CPA hearing that NAMA do pay attention to the indices in the header to track the overall values of their loans. Brendan McDonagh said that Ireland was down 8% and the UK up 6% and given the geographical split that meant that overall the loans were down 3%. Of course NAMA paid 10% as a premium for LEV but on the other hand the subordinated debt is not to be honoured if NAMA makes a loss so in overall terms, they are down some 10% from what they paid.
@Brian
GSIRELANDHANDBOOK – An interesting document with many erroneous assumptions such as the loan to value of properties being 70% when NAMA admits that it is nearer 100%. I wonder how this reality would affect their conclusions.
Also, the assumed low default rate of 3% to 4% on mortgages and the further assumption that people will continue to pay their mortgages under severe economic pressure, thereby limiting losses to €1.6 billion in Ireland seems totally unrealistic.
Still, an interesting read and food for further thought – but I wish that they would start with accurate facts.
Just reading this re: the Nama stats.
According to Nama.ie AIB have transferred €6.02bn worth of loans in the first and second transfers combined.
Now, AIB statement says that it is actually transferred €9.2bn thus far.
Now, it also seems that the final transfer won’t be final i.e. as the statement says it can be phased. This goes against what the Minister said about a final transfer (or maybe he meant a final publciised transfer).
I thought I had missed something re@ the two figures at first but I now it seems that the final transfer is being broken up into multiple transfers and are ongoing.
My information is that most of Anglo has transferred but there has not been any statement whatsoever from NAMA. AIB as you say did release a statement. There have not been statements from INBS, EBS or BoI. Last week at the Public Accounts committee hearing, the NAMA CEO Brendan McDonagh said that €53bn of loans at par value had been transferred as of 11th November, 2010. That compares with the €27bn in tranches 1 and 2. Plainly the final tranches are being transferred in mini-tranches.