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Vacant Property DKM vs. NIRSA Vs. UCD (Part 3 of 7). »

Vacant Property DKM vs. NIRSA Vs. UCD (Part 2 of 7).

March 8, 2010 by namawinelake

Definitions

I was hoping to deal with the comparisons between the three reports in two posts but there is just too much information and work required so I hope to deal with the following questions in posts during this week.

1. How many vacant properties are there? (Part 3 of 7)

2. Where are the vacant properties located? (Part 4 of 7)

3. What types of property are vacant? (Part 5 of 7)

4. Why are these properties not on the market at present? (Part 6 of 7)

5. Theoretically, what would be the effect of collusion amongst sellers to maintain property prices? (Part 7 of  7)

To recap, there have been three recent studies of vacant residential property in the State as follows:

1. DKM report primarily on construction in September 2009

2. NIRSA studies in January 2010 which appear to be available only as a series of blog entries on the irelandafterNAMA blog. The relevant entries would appear to be at

An estimate of vacant housing in Ireland – 18th January, 2010

Housing Vacancy Update – 20th January, 2010

County vacancy rates – 22nd January, 2010

An estimation of oversupply by County – 24th January, 2010

3. UCD with others report in March 2010

My apologies that I am not also examining a series of blog entries on the website http://www.thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?p=362867 which as long ago as August 2007 were claiming there to be 350,000 vacant properties in the State. I just didn’t have the time.

Following the publication of the latest report,  Construction Industry Federation Director of Housing and Planning, Hubert Fitzpatrick again claimed there to be between 35,000 – 40,000 vacant NEW homes and Housing Minister, Michael Finneran stated that “the figures available to me say there is somewhere between 122,000 and 147,000 vacant properties”

In this blog entry, I am examining definitions used when describing vacant property. Specifically definitions of “vacant”, “property”, “holiday home”, “overhang”, “normal vacancy”, “obsolescence”. As all three sources used the Census 2006 as a starting point I consulted the CSO and the Census for guidance.

I though the Census forms from 2006 might assist in the area of definitions. In H1 a property could be defined under four headings as a house, an apartment, a bedsit or a temporary structure such as a caravan. CSO then produced reports on different questions asked in the Census, the key one in this context being Housing (the best table is table 43 on page 110). When arriving at the total number of dwellings of 1,769,613,  temporary dwellings like caravans (7,225) were excluded but all other categories of dwelling including bedsits  (8,751) and unclassified (31,803) were included. The breakdown of the 1,769,613 permanent dwellings is interesting and it is as follows:

Dwellings where the occupants were the usual residents                   1,462,296

Dwellings where the occupants were visitors                                    11,049

Dwellings where the residents were temporarily absent                    29,946

Subtotal (widely quoted as number of occupied dwellings)   1,503,291

Dwellings that were vacant houses   174,935

Dwellings that were vacant flats                   41,598

Dwellings that were holiday homes  49,789

Subtotal                                                      266,322

Total permanent dwellings                                                   1,769,613

In the introduction to the census Housing report, under the heading “Conduct of Census”, it is stated that 4 weeks prior to the actual census, the census workers determined themselves that there were likely to be 1.5m occupied dwellings on the night of the census and delivered the forms there. The remainder were judged by the census workers to be vacant and it is the census workers that produced the split between vacant house, flat and holiday home. The guidance issued to the census workers is given here though I am awaiting a response to some follow-up questions – in particular what is the definition of a holiday home, how many vacant bedsits are there (the Census report indicates nil yet the report includes over 8,000 bedsits as occupied dwellings), what are the circumstances in which residents are visitors (could these also be holiday homes), what are the circumstances in which residents are classified as temporarily absent (could these be truly described as vacant homes).

“Standard Vacancy Rate (SVR)”(UCD) or “Expected vacancy rate”(NIRSA) or “Normal vacancy rate”(DKM) . UCD say (page 15, top) “Assessing an appropriate vacancy level within total housing stock can be regarded as necessary to allow a normal property market to operate efficiently…This vacancy guideline of 5% facilitates both labour liquidity and residential market churn”. NIRSA say on 18th January, 2010 that “Of course, a certain small percentage of housing stock is always going to be unoccupied given its state and location vis-a-vis demand, but even so it’s clear that there is presently a large amount of vacant houses and an large oversupply of residential property”. NIRSA make reference to an “expected vacancy rate” of 6% in their post on 20th January, 2010. DKM say (page 41, middle) “In order to ascertain what the ‘normal’ vacancy rate should be in a housing market at any given time, the average vacancy rate has been derived for twelve European countries” and they conclude a “normal vacancy rate for Ireland is 6%”.

What all of this implies is there is some principle in property akin to the principle accepted by most economists that full employment actually means something more than 0% unemployment. Where is the evidence for this? When UCD say a level of vacancy is necessary for “labour liquidity” and “residential market churn” what could they mean? Jim lives in Connaught and has just landed a job in Dublin so he vacates his property in Connaught to live in Dublin. What happens to his old property? He leaves it empty, he rents it, he sells it? If he leaves it empty then presumably it is classified as a second home or holiday home. If he sells or rents it then it must be a vacant home. In terms of “residential market churn” if Jim builds a new home on a plot down the road and moves in there, he will decide to either keep, rent or sell the old property. Again if he keeps it, it will be a second or holiday home. Otherwise it is vacant.

Is the concept of “standard vacancy rate” or “normal vacancy rate” or “expected vacancy rate” valid in terms of implying a certain level of stock which although uninhabited isn’t quite vacant? I don’t think it is. I am not familiar with it as an economic term. There are of course vacancy rates in the property world but I am not familiar with these rates for residential property being applied in the sense applied by the three sources.

“Holiday Home” This is first referred to by the 2006 Census. There is no definition provided and I have asked the CSO what they mean by “Holiday Home”. It would appear that it is the Enumerator who makes the judgment and they are encouraged to consult neighbours when arriving at their judgment. Of particular interest is whether “holiday home” includes “second home” ie Joe who left Connaught to work in Dublin has left his home in Connaught empty though he goes back there every weekend. His home would commonly be referred to as a “second home”. Is that included under the “Holiday Home” heading. I am hopeful the CSO will be able to provide guidance with this definition.

“Obsolescence” Yes homes don’t last forever and need to be maintained. Each of the three sources attempted to quantify homes that had fallen into such a state of disrepair that they had become uninhabitable today. Although the three sources came up with similar nominal obsolescence rates, none provided sources or indeed explained the application for the rates. DKM assumed a rate of 0.3%.. NIRSA say obsolescence is 0.6% per annum. UCD estimated an obsolescence factor of 0.5%. Although the nominal rates are similar, the lack of sources and explanation of application muddy their use by the sources.

“Overhang”. Colloquially this is taken to be the permanent vacant dwellings which are capable of being sold or rented today. However it has different terms to different people. Michael Finneran, our Housing Minister said yesterday “But remember that in any country in the western world there is always an overhang of about 6pc to 7pc”. So our Housing Minister uses the term “overhang” as if it meant “standard vacancy rate” (UCD) or “expected vacancy rate” (NIRSA) or “normal vacancy rate” (DKM). DKM don’t define the term but on page 41 through their calculations they indicate that “overhang” is what you have left after subtracting holiday, obsolete and normal vacancy from total vacant properties. NIRSA don’t use the term “overhang”, they use “oversupply in the same sense as DKM use “overhang”. UCD don’t define the term though they use it as a verb in a sentence (page 15) – “For many regions in the rest of the State the evidence is that a significant oversupply will overhang the market over a longer period”

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  1. on March 8, 2010 at 2:04 pm Vacant property DKM v NIRSA v UCD (Part 1 of 7) « Nama Wine Lake

    […] March 5, 2010 by namawinelake This is part one of a seven part series (click here for part 2 of 7) […]


  2. on March 8, 2010 at 2:15 pm 17% of the houses in Ireland are vacant. Construction Industry denies overproduction. - Page 3

    […] off today by trying to establish definitions of terms which is enlightening in its own right. Vacant Property DKM vs. NIRSA Vs. UCD (Part 2 of 7). Nama Wine Lake However in answer to your specific question about the location of the vacant properties, yes NIRSA […]


  3. on March 9, 2010 at 8:32 am Mank The Merciless

    The Property Pin worked out the number of empties in 2008. 350,000 was the number. At the time a scheme to subsidise the purchase of certain empty properties by firts time buyers was being planned by the government.

    http://www.thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=15167

    “Industry mouthpieces assert this is a misrepresentation of the reality on the ground, claiming that only 35,000 new homes are for sale which would leave the average person to conclude that Ireland either has 315,000 holiday homes or 315,000 extra empty units in a market ready state. Or in “turn-key” condition to use the industry parlance…

    Were the former true it would mean that 15.8% of all homes in Ireland are holiday homes or that almost 1 in 5 households owns an Irish holiday home on average.

    If, however, the latter is the case, then buyer perception that more value is on the way because of a massive housing oversupply would surely not be misplaced.

    It also has been estimated (largely in the 2006 census )[1] that only 50,000-60,000 of the total figure of 350,000 empty houses can possibly be accounted for as holiday homes.

    That means, that of the 350,000 empty homes today:

    1. 35,000 belong to Tom Parlon’s Members for whom the Homechoice Scheme was Created.
    2. 60,000 are ‘Real’ holiday homes.
    3. 255,000 are ‘Pure’ empty.

    Furthermore the ENTIRE rented sector in April 2006, at the time of the census, was:

    Private, Rented, Furnished and Unfurnished = 145,000 Homes
    Local Authority Rented = 105,000 Homes
    Voluntary Body Rented = 50,000 Homes

    TOTAL RENTAL SECTOR 300,000 Homes [1]

    Making Ireland the ONLY country in Europe with more empty homes than rented homes of all kinds.”

    Sources
    [1]http://www.cso.ie/releasespublications/statistical_yearbook_ireland_2008.htm
    (Census 2006 Data All of the tables in sections 21.3 onwards )
    [2]http://www.cso.ie/releasespublications/documents/population/current/popmig.pdf
    (For updates to Population Information from Census )
    [3]http://www.environ.ie/en/Publications/StatisticsandRegularPublications/HousingStatistics/
    (House Completions)
    [4]http://www.esb.ie/esbnetworks/downloads/esb_networks_summary_statistics.pdf
    (Houses with ESB Connections to end 2006 )


    • on March 9, 2010 at 10:08 am namawinelake

      Thank you Mank, that’s very helpful and indeed it would appear thepropertypin was first to expose the scale of overbuilding and vacancy in the State, and indeed there have been misinterpretations which may or may not have been a result of vested interests.

      With respect to the 255,000 “pure empty” homes, some are likely to be obsolete and that could be over 40,000 according to NIRSA using advice of national obsolescence rates from the DEHLG and looking at obsolescence rates internationally. There is a bit of debate also about the number of Holiday homes which the Census 2006 recorded at c50k but which is very low by international comparison. There is still some debate about the status of permanently emplaced mobile homes (are they permanent homes or not), bedsits (recorded as a permanent vacant home in Census 2006 but suspiciously there were no vacant bedsits) and indeed commercial holiday homes (are groups of holiday cottages more akin to commercial premises like hotels or are they second homes used primarily for holiday purposes) – guidance with these definitions will be appearing here shortly as the CSO have indicated they can provide an early response.

      Lastly there is a bit of debate about the relevance of what vacant non-holiday non-obsolete homes means for house prices. The emerging theory is that the standard vacancy or normal vacancy or base vacancy will not affect house prices as these homes are either already on the market in some fashion or are not on the market for some other reason (abondonment has been mentioned) – I have not seen either quantification of the “other reasons” or a satisfactory reason why this category is relevant. However it can be argued that what you have left, the overhang indeed does have the potential to depress prices under normal demand-and-supply economics and there are other questions as to the mechanics and reasons for withholding these properties from the market, which will be addressed here this week.


  4. on March 9, 2010 at 11:38 am Vacant Property DKM vs. NIRSA Vs. UCD (Part 3 of 7). « Nama Wine Lake

    […] on guidance given to enumerators whose judgment it was to define holiday homes in the 2006 Census. The “definitions” blog entry is likely to be updated […]


  5. on March 9, 2010 at 12:00 pm Mank The Merciless

    The ‘pure’ empty figure grosses up the total and of course it does not allow for categories like ( Inter Alia)

    1. Obsolescence but with meter inside or not.
    2. Near Obsolescence and uneconomic to upgrade in 2006 but now no longer obsolete owing to falling labour prices.
    3. Almost complete but with no ESB Connection, very little work required to make habitable.
    4. Obsolete in Caban in winter but not Obsolete as a holiday home in the summer for the spot of fishing and with no meter.
    5. Never moved back from London, habitable. Not used as holiday home.
    6. The old family farm in Offaly, sentimental attachment never go there and NOT for sale. Land leased.
    7. Bought to flip, got caught rotten in negative equity.

    It is very difficult to understand why many of these empties are being held by the owner and many are not an overhang because there is no intention to market and there is a vague intention to make use of them or hold them for sentimental reasons.

    Were I in charge I would try to get the owners to self categorise them on the https://www.nppr.ie/ website as they pay. The 2010 tax is payable this month and we BADLY need timely data.

    The site is maintained by the local government services board http://www.lgmsb.ie/ and if all you geography lot went after them at the same time they might insert a questionaire page if you beg them nicely.

    Mank The Magnificent will not be found wanting if you need me to make a representation to them but do hurry along because time is short for this trivial piece of programming and these are bureaucrats who live in meeting rooms all day.

    They will not entertain disclosing per county data, maybe per province or NUTs 3 region ( average 3 counties like the SERA or SWRA ) and will probably only give you national aggregates but that would be much better than the policy vacumn we have today.

    We cannot wait until census 2012 is published in 2.5 years. We need information and policy NOW!!!

    Yours Etc

    Mank


    • on March 9, 2010 at 12:21 pm namawinelake

      Mank, it’s possible that your categories 5 and 6 might be included in the Census of occupied homes where the owner is “temporarily away” – see the analysis of occupied on the blog entry. I am still waiting on the CSO to help with definitions and guidelines given to enumerators, but for all that, for practical purposes there are in the order of 350,000 vacant dwellings in the State. See the latest blog entry at

      https://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/vacant-property-dkm-vs-nirsa-vs-ucd-part-3-of-7/


  6. on March 9, 2010 at 12:27 pm Mank The Merciless

    The MOST important thing is to collect the data on the NPPR website NOW and to discuss the release of the data LATER .

    Right now there is no data and no policy.

    You only need a small questionairre like

    My Interest In This Property Is: ( tick)

    Investor to Hold
    Investor to Sell On
    Holiday Home
    Holiday Home and Investment
    New Family Home, Not moved in
    Old family home, sentimental attachment

    and

    I am resident in (tick)

    Ireland
    UK
    EU
    USA
    Australia/New Zealand
    Other.

    and

    Age of Property ( tick)

    1-5 years
    5-10 years
    10-20 years
    20-30 years
    30-40 years
    40-50 years
    Older than 50 years.

    ————————————————–

    That gives us all timely and interpretable hard data, something we do not have now.

    If a scatter of professors request this collection I am sure they will be understanding about it.

    https://www.nppr.ie/

    “2010 Charge

    Collection of the Non Principal Private Residence charge for 2010 will commence on the 31st March 2010.

    The 2010 charge is based on the ownership and status of the property on the 31st March 2010.
    As the 2010 charge cannot be accepted before then, please return on the 31st March 2010 to make your payment. “


    • on March 9, 2010 at 2:26 pm namawinelake

      Mank, oh the information is no doubt out there – UCD in particular referred to difficulties in obtaining information.

      The State knows through the Land Registry and Revenue how much each property transaction is worth, but despite over 30 years of knowing the benefits of a public register it is still resisted.

      The State knows prices from property rentals because EVERY single rental is collected on the PRTB database but again for Data Protection Act reasons it won’t even disclose general area information (eg what are 3-bed apartments renting for in Dublin 4?)

      The State should know its housing stock and I am surprised to hear criticism of the accuracy of GeoDirectory (a JV with an Post).


      • on March 9, 2010 at 2:41 pm Mank The Merciless

        Geodirectory costs a bloody fortune and is clunky to say the least. I have not seen it in a while personally.

        But the NPPR database is the only database of Non PPR homes and would contain empties and rented properties all.

        You may pay it by cash/post too

        Click to access NPPR_RegistrationForm1.0.pdf

        “Registration data collected by the Non Principal Private Residence (NPPR) will be used in
        accordance with the provisions of the Local Government (Charges) Act 2009 and any other
        relevant legislation.”

        This means that a Local Authority would have to permit the aggregation of its own set of data in any national set of data, see section 11 of the act below.

        It could choose to disclose aggregate data to see whether compliance was significant for example and to help its ‘process’ of collection overall and its customer service.

        Click to access a3009.pdf


  7. on March 9, 2010 at 12:31 pm Mank The Merciless

    Temporarily around here means that you are evading an answer because of an enurement, you are not allowed to rent the house out and do for example.

    It is VERY difficult to interpret temporary absences , it could have been the only business trip you took in 2006 and you were there the rest of the time.

    I will BET that Galway and Wickow and Cork had higher rates of temporary absences because they had stricter enuremnet clauses in force than Roscommon and Kildare and Waterford did between 1996 and 2006.

    You check the breakdown of temporary as % of overall stock by county and I wil bet that a correlation with enurements comes up.



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