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		<title>By: BeeCeeTee</title>
		<link>http://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2012/05/28/are-we-recovering/#comment-27020</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 18:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Intel, at least, does a lot of R&amp;D in Ireland, both in Leixlip and Shannon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intel, at least, does a lot of R&amp;D in Ireland, both in Leixlip and Shannon.</p>
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		<title>By: sf ca writer</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 15:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is good news.
It is scary how contractor (hourly pay,no benefits) jobs are creeping into the professions. (in California too)
Hourly paid engineer and scientists....who woulda thunk it.....not very inspiring for today&#039;s student.
Instant gratification of more jobs is fine, but quality R&amp;D jobs and growth culture would be better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is good news.<br />
It is scary how contractor (hourly pay,no benefits) jobs are creeping into the professions. (in California too)<br />
Hourly paid engineer and scientists&#8230;.who woulda thunk it&#8230;..not very inspiring for today&#8217;s student.<br />
Instant gratification of more jobs is fine, but quality R&amp;D jobs and growth culture would be better.</p>
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		<title>By: BeeCeeTee</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 14:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t mean to imply that the new investment is going anywhere other than Leixlip.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t mean to imply that the new investment is going anywhere other than Leixlip.</p>
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		<title>By: BeeCeeTee</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 14:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@sf ca writer,
Intel has just announced a major new investment for Ireland, and they have been investing heavily in updating buildings at the existing site in Leixlip for some time, so it looks as if we are safe on that front at least for the moment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@sf ca writer,<br />
Intel has just announced a major new investment for Ireland, and they have been investing heavily in updating buildings at the existing site in Leixlip for some time, so it looks as if we are safe on that front at least for the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Sporthog</title>
		<link>http://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2012/05/28/are-we-recovering/#comment-26996</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 13:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With the proverbial &quot;slow motion train wreck&quot; ongoing in Europe with Greece and Spain the euro has devalued, down below 1.30 dollar, today at 1.25 and 1 euro worth 0.80 pence Stg.

This is a silver lining to the crisis, but will it be enough for us to boost our exports attract more investment (i.e. jobs)and enable us to begin to move out of the mire?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the proverbial &#8220;slow motion train wreck&#8221; ongoing in Europe with Greece and Spain the euro has devalued, down below 1.30 dollar, today at 1.25 and 1 euro worth 0.80 pence Stg.</p>
<p>This is a silver lining to the crisis, but will it be enough for us to boost our exports attract more investment (i.e. jobs)and enable us to begin to move out of the mire?</p>
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		<title>By: gerhard dengler</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 01:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NWL&#039;s summary is a fair representation of where this country is at currently.

5 years on from the onset of this country&#039;s economic crisis, it is difficult to know whether or not we&#039;ve hit rock bottom or not. I think if people knew that all this pain of austerity was bringing us closer to turning things around then there might be more buy in from the citizens of this country. What NWL cannot analyse (nor can anyone else) is the level of the erosion of trust between the ordinary punter and the politicians of this country. 

The inept handling of the Celtic Tiger and the failure to deal with the resulting downturn has shattered public trust in the politicians who are tasked with creating the environment to get this country back up off it&#039;s knees.
It might be too much to expect but given the dire circumstances that Ireland faces there seems to be no sense of any social solidarity forcing politicians to do the right thing.

I thought that this current crisis would have seen more social cohesion to force the issue with the country&#039;s politicians.
Of course the politicians will continue to do what is (politically) expedient, rather than doing what is right for the country and it&#039;s people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NWL&#8217;s summary is a fair representation of where this country is at currently.</p>
<p>5 years on from the onset of this country&#8217;s economic crisis, it is difficult to know whether or not we&#8217;ve hit rock bottom or not. I think if people knew that all this pain of austerity was bringing us closer to turning things around then there might be more buy in from the citizens of this country. What NWL cannot analyse (nor can anyone else) is the level of the erosion of trust between the ordinary punter and the politicians of this country. </p>
<p>The inept handling of the Celtic Tiger and the failure to deal with the resulting downturn has shattered public trust in the politicians who are tasked with creating the environment to get this country back up off it&#8217;s knees.<br />
It might be too much to expect but given the dire circumstances that Ireland faces there seems to be no sense of any social solidarity forcing politicians to do the right thing.</p>
<p>I thought that this current crisis would have seen more social cohesion to force the issue with the country&#8217;s politicians.<br />
Of course the politicians will continue to do what is (politically) expedient, rather than doing what is right for the country and it&#8217;s people.</p>
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		<title>By: sf ca writer</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 20:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would disagree with a few and say that long term Ireland is being &#039;downskilled&#039; into oblivion. 
Cynical MNC&#039;s would previously have a call center in India or Manila
and fabrciation in Ireland
Soon they will have call canters in Ireland and fabrication in eastern europe. The jobs lost in Ireland by hypothetical pull out of say Intel, would be replaced by lower skilled jobs, or not replaced at all. This is a perilous, waiting to happen, disaster, made the worse by IDA and others promoting Ireland according to the mantra:
Tax haven
Cheap labour
High unemplloyment.
This is not about Ireland bashing, but about looking down the road and seeing jobs in Ireland of the future that nobody wants. The time is now to stretch R&amp;D and new technology start-ups. The time is now to invest in modernizing a failed education system.
Ireland has a choice where it is headed. Right now it is headed to 
&quot;Hello service Center Inc. How can I help?&quot;
People should want more and expect more. 
What ever happened to the likes of Boyle? 
What ever happened to Irish genius?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would disagree with a few and say that long term Ireland is being &#8216;downskilled&#8217; into oblivion.<br />
Cynical MNC&#8217;s would previously have a call center in India or Manila<br />
and fabrciation in Ireland<br />
Soon they will have call canters in Ireland and fabrication in eastern europe. The jobs lost in Ireland by hypothetical pull out of say Intel, would be replaced by lower skilled jobs, or not replaced at all. This is a perilous, waiting to happen, disaster, made the worse by IDA and others promoting Ireland according to the mantra:<br />
Tax haven<br />
Cheap labour<br />
High unemplloyment.<br />
This is not about Ireland bashing, but about looking down the road and seeing jobs in Ireland of the future that nobody wants. The time is now to stretch R&amp;D and new technology start-ups. The time is now to invest in modernizing a failed education system.<br />
Ireland has a choice where it is headed. Right now it is headed to<br />
&#8220;Hello service Center Inc. How can I help?&#8221;<br />
People should want more and expect more.<br />
What ever happened to the likes of Boyle?<br />
What ever happened to Irish genius?</p>
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		<title>By: Niall</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 19:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ NWL  The level of Income Tax payments received to date would suggest that there is an increase in wages if not employment numbers. Combined income tax and Social Insurance is well ahead of the same time last year, even taking into account Budget and other changes. The April figures were particularly interesting as they were the first month reflecting the drop in the Public Sector payroll and were very strong. 

I would suggest that there is a degree of job replacement, e.g we are losing low paid retail/distribution jobs, but are gaining higher paid jobs, particularly in the FDI sector. BeeCeeTee above is correct in that many are within the one sector.

There is a serious shortage of skilled &amp; qualified workers in a range of occupations and pay rates within those trades are increasing.  

However there are awful lot more jobs to go in the retail/distribution sector.  Again much of those job losses are down to general changes - take a look at the book trade or the travel industry. Clothing retailers such as Asos are also moving much of the retail trade to the internet.       

In relation to retail sales, much of the past growth was funded by equity extraction and was never going to be sustained. The Bank of England has for many years published stats on the level of equity withdrawal from housing however the Irish Central Bank has never done so. 

I take your point regarding that there is a time lag between job announcements and actual hiring. However construction and fit out does take time.

However almost all of the FDI job announcements have been service led. While wages and salaries may be very good, there is a low level of capital investment required. Most are  run from leasehold premises. The interesting one is Intel. The company has not officially confirmed (per its website) the re-investment in Leixlip, despite the media stories. I can only imagine they are awaiting for a certain referendum result before any final commitment. There is a major difference in spending a few million on a fit out for a software operation and perhaps a thousand times more on a new chip fabrication unit.

In conclusion I think there is some serious changes in the economy. However those without the necessary skills and qualifications are unfortunately in serious trouble.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ NWL  The level of Income Tax payments received to date would suggest that there is an increase in wages if not employment numbers. Combined income tax and Social Insurance is well ahead of the same time last year, even taking into account Budget and other changes. The April figures were particularly interesting as they were the first month reflecting the drop in the Public Sector payroll and were very strong. </p>
<p>I would suggest that there is a degree of job replacement, e.g we are losing low paid retail/distribution jobs, but are gaining higher paid jobs, particularly in the FDI sector. BeeCeeTee above is correct in that many are within the one sector.</p>
<p>There is a serious shortage of skilled &amp; qualified workers in a range of occupations and pay rates within those trades are increasing.  </p>
<p>However there are awful lot more jobs to go in the retail/distribution sector.  Again much of those job losses are down to general changes &#8211; take a look at the book trade or the travel industry. Clothing retailers such as Asos are also moving much of the retail trade to the internet.       </p>
<p>In relation to retail sales, much of the past growth was funded by equity extraction and was never going to be sustained. The Bank of England has for many years published stats on the level of equity withdrawal from housing however the Irish Central Bank has never done so. </p>
<p>I take your point regarding that there is a time lag between job announcements and actual hiring. However construction and fit out does take time.</p>
<p>However almost all of the FDI job announcements have been service led. While wages and salaries may be very good, there is a low level of capital investment required. Most are  run from leasehold premises. The interesting one is Intel. The company has not officially confirmed (per its website) the re-investment in Leixlip, despite the media stories. I can only imagine they are awaiting for a certain referendum result before any final commitment. There is a major difference in spending a few million on a fit out for a software operation and perhaps a thousand times more on a new chip fabrication unit.</p>
<p>In conclusion I think there is some serious changes in the economy. However those without the necessary skills and qualifications are unfortunately in serious trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: BeeCeeTee</title>
		<link>http://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2012/05/28/are-we-recovering/#comment-26942</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 17:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most of the talk of recovery is hot air. That said, there was a meaningful increase in employment in Q4 2011, for the first time since 2007 - 10,000. Most of the increase was concentrated in the Industry and Information and Communication sectors, which where most exporting businesses are located, so it looks promising as a sign of the beginnings of competitiveness-driven recovery. I&#039;ll want to see a couple more similar quarters before I&#039;m confident that it is real though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the talk of recovery is hot air. That said, there was a meaningful increase in employment in Q4 2011, for the first time since 2007 &#8211; 10,000. Most of the increase was concentrated in the Industry and Information and Communication sectors, which where most exporting businesses are located, so it looks promising as a sign of the beginnings of competitiveness-driven recovery. I&#8217;ll want to see a couple more similar quarters before I&#8217;m confident that it is real though.</p>
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		<title>By: jr</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 17:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Things will turn... it&#039;s difficult to see when though as the spiral is feeding on itself. Government borrowings for anything other than capital/infrastructure and the age of Banking perfection has created the perfect debt storm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Things will turn&#8230; it&#8217;s difficult to see when though as the spiral is feeding on itself. Government borrowings for anything other than capital/infrastructure and the age of Banking perfection has created the perfect debt storm.</p>
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